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re: The Iran goalposts have been moved again.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 11:38 pm to justsaygeaux2
Posted on 6/3/26 at 11:38 pm to justsaygeaux2
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Maybe they think they don't give two fricks, but how are they paying their military?
We don't understand martyrdom. We would do well to learn about it.
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 11:43 pm to davyjones
The state of the economy doesn’t mean dick to these people. The IRGC and people in charge of Iran will eat while the masses starve. As I said last night in the end they will use it as another form of control. As food and other critical goods gets more scarce the regime will control who gets what and how much is given. If you play ball and do not cause trouble the regime will slide a little out. For those that will not play ball then they will starve. Remember the IRGC has the guns. The people also know they will use those guns on them. Until the people have arms and can fight back then this regime will make the people submit one way or the other. They could care less about the economy.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 11:44 pm to SallysHuman
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I think we're mistaken in looking at their attachment to 'economy' through our western perspective.
I think you've fallen into the "instant gratification" trap that does affect/infect western perspective. This is a blatantly obvious siege. The Strait is not important. Their ports are.
Someone above mentioned that we might be short of defensive munitions. That is unrealistic. That would be cause to go completely offensive. We're not for a reason.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 11:47 pm to SallysHuman
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We don't understand martyrdom. We would do well to learn about it.
We understand it enough to let them martyr each other. I don't think they get their 72 virgins by starving to death.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 11:50 pm to justsaygeaux2
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I think you've fallen into the "instant gratification" trap that does affect/infect western perspective. This is a blatantly obvious siege. The Strait is not important. Their ports are.
Maybe.
But honestly, I think their motivations are far different from our own. Safety, security, prosperity, ports- all pale in comparison to their highest desire, highest reward.
If we expect them to think like we think- we will always be disappointed.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 11:51 pm to BFIV
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but even I am tired of this crap.
Ok…so what are you suggesting? Be clear and concise.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 11:51 pm to justsaygeaux2
Iran has something like 17/25 missile launch sites on the Strait of Hormuz still fully operational. You could escalate for sure, but then you’re looking at a very war-weary public opinion and elements of the right and left coming after you, along with the responsibility of nation building and a longer term commitment. What’s the best option? Not sure, but we have to ween Israel off of the American taxpayer and negotiate with the Arabs independently and separately.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 11:55 pm to SallysHuman
When we say “economy” we primarily mean basic necessities of life. I assume that each person’s quality of life is commensurate with the income they bring home. And I assume as the economy continues to suffocate, the money being brought home will dry up, quality of life turns to desperation, and desperate people, masses of them becoming desperate all around the same time, that’s exactly what the ruling class fears most.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:02 am to davyjones
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When we say “economy” we primarily mean basic necessities of life. I assume that each person’s quality of life is commensurate with the income they bring home. And I assume as the economy continues to suffocate, the money being brought home will dry up, quality of life turns to desperation, and desperate people, masses of them becoming desperate all around the same time, that’s exactly what the ruling class fears most.
Allahu Akbar... they truly believe this, feel this, live by this, and, most importantly for us westerners to understand- are HONORED to die by this.
They are not like you and I, moved my the price of fuel or the availability of toilet paper.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:13 am to Adam Banks
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Who has shut down the strait?
The insurance companies.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:14 am to DMAN1968
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The insurance companies
Bc they’re worried about what?
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:16 am to justsaygeaux2
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Who gives a frick about the Strait? They are shut out of their ports. THAT is the siege and it is working exactly as planned. That people cannot see this is absolutely astounding to me.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:22 am to Wareagle1990
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Iran has something like 17/25 missile launch sites on the Strait of Hormuz still fully operational.
And you know this how?
Link it please.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:24 am to SallysHuman
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they truly believe this, feel this, live by this, and, most importantly for us westerners to understand- are HONORED to die by this.
I highly doubt the average Iranian...one with wives and kids...believe this as whole-heartedly as the IRGC folks. Probably most of the regular army also.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:26 am to hubertcumberdale
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Bc they’re worried about what?
Losing money.
No one knows if Iran can do anything...It's all based on threats.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:35 am to hubertcumberdale
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Bc they’re worried about what?
Since this started who is worse off?
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:38 am to DeBoar
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Since this started who is worse off?
normal americans, like the ones who voted for trump
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:52 am to hubertcumberdale
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normal americans, like the ones who voted for trump
Yeah? I’m doing great. How’s things in Alaska?
Posted on 6/4/26 at 4:48 am to BFIV
You NEVER voted for Trump, pedophile.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 4:55 am to Wareagle1990
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Be prepared for the Trump groupies to come after you. They can’t intelligently fathom someone who has voted for Trump before being capable of nuanced thinking.
You summed up this board in less than 150 characters.... Kudos do you.
That should honestly be the slogan of this board at this point.
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