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re: The "I want the AG to enforce the law" meme

Posted on 1/4/18 at 6:47 pm to
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31496 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 6:47 pm to
Yep. I said this the other day:

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Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43336 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 6:47 pm to
quote:

Explain.


Prosecutorial discretion is making such choices as "I don't think I have enough evidence to convict" or "I'm going to let him slide on this law because he's willing to testify against this bigger fish."

It's not "I don't like this law so I'm just going to ignore it."

That's illegal...and should horrify anyone who follows the rule of law.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 6:48 pm to
Also, answer this question in the process:

Was Comey ignoring the law when he gave his "no reasonable prosecutor" statement regarding HRC?

Why or why not?
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 6:48 pm to
quote:

 going to let him slide on this law because he's willing to testify against this bigger fish." 


Literally ignoring the law

I believe Obama said "we have bigger fish to fry" when asked if he would prosecute weed dispensaries. Does that make it ok? He compared it to a fish.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 6:49 pm
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31496 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 6:48 pm to
quote:

He simply said they were going to stop the official policy of ignoring federal drug laws as they pertain to marijuana. 

Which is the correct answer. 

Prosecutorial discretion still exists.


Then why say it?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43336 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 6:49 pm to
quote:

Then why say it?


Because the United States Attorney General should never have an official policy of ignoring federal statutes.

Seriously...can you not understand the problem here?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123902 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 6:51 pm to
quote:

Explain.
Are you aware of the Obama Admin approach to DACA?

Do you understand how badly that might have ended (and theoretically still could) for DACAs?

We have a Constitution for a purpose. AG's must follow it, for a purpose. If they don't, then citizens could get hurt . . . badly!
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 6:52 pm to
quote:

That's weak. The Congress makes the law, not the AG. If you want weed to be legal or states to say whether it is legal, pressure your Congressmen. We don't want the AG deciding which laws to enforce or not to enforce--that leads to inconsistency in enforcement and the lawlessness of the Obama administration. It allows the Justice Dept. to give Hillary a pass but to hammer Trump associates for lying about things that have nothing to do with Mueller's investigation. Congress, not Sessions, should decide what the law is. He just enforces it, whatever it is.


Very well said, while I favor decriminalization of pot this needs to be handled through congress to bring this issue to a close. We are a nation of laws and the recent trend of governing by fiat needs to come to an end.

I also hate most all EO's by both sides, they are chickenshit lazy cop outs.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123902 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 6:54 pm to
quote:

I favor decriminalization of pot this needs to be handled through congress
+1
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29761 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 6:54 pm to
Just make everything illegal and allow AGs to decide what to prosecute or not!

Posted by lsufanz
NOLA
Member since Dec 2008
4726 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 6:59 pm to
quote:

rather than us, as I certainly don’t give a frick about your opinion
Then why in the frick are you on a forum called "Political Talk"? Maybe you should just mumble at yourself from the corner.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112617 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:00 pm to
The people who say that don't have the nuts to say that they are anti legalization
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31496 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:01 pm to
What difference does "official policy" make? He either wants to send a message or he doesn't. It was already there. Why frick with it? I know why--he's an obsolete breed of authoritarian cracker backwoods Alabama goatfricker with a tiny penis who wants to instill fear in freedom-loving Americans.
Posted by lsufanz
NOLA
Member since Dec 2008
4726 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:01 pm to
quote:

the AG must enforce existing law
You know damned well this is an over-simplification as no AG has EVER enforced all existing law.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:05 pm to
Precisely my point. The meme is an intended oversimplification that sounds good in an attempt to hide either protrump or antiobama bias.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20018 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:17 pm to
quote:

What difference does "official policy" make? He either wants to send a message or he doesn't. It was already there. Why frick with it? I know why--he's an obsolete breed of authoritarian cracker backwoods Alabama goatfricker with a tiny penis who wants to instill fear in freedom-loving Americans.


Me and you are smokin with or without Jeff sessions
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:19 pm to
quote:

Prosecutorial discretion is making such choices as "I don't think I have enough evidence to convict" or "I'm going to let him slide on this law because he's willing to testify against this bigger fish."

It's not "I don't like this law so I'm just going to ignore it."

That's illegal...and should horrify anyone who follows the rule of law


X eleventy billion, amazing how some can not grasp how dangerous this is.

If I am a prosecutor can I ignore murder and rape statutes as well if I do not like them?

The pot has apparently destroyed all their brain cells.

the below is very clear

quote:

"I (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the same; that I take this obligation freely without any mental
reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully
discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So
help me God."

This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 7:23 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123902 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:20 pm to
quote:

You know damned well this is an over-simplification as no AG has EVER enforced all existing law.
You know damned well this is an over-simplification, as the issue is Obama AGs' directives ordering subordinates to IGNORE the law!
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:22 pm to
Just the simple fact alone that Trump signed an executive order forbidding enforcement of the individual mandate in ObamaCare and conservatives cheering that on shows how hypocritical they were and still are on this issue.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:23 pm to
quote:

The AG does NOT have leeway to ignore the law.





Yes he does.
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