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re: The Hidden Danger of Using AI for Answers

Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:30 pm to
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:30 pm to
They are definitely not all the same. Gemini and ChatGPT are far ahead of infants like Grok and DeepSeek. Meta and Microsoft are building one that may knock the figurative socks off all the others.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
The Boot
Member since Sep 2014
27767 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:39 pm to
Chat gpi induced psychosis
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1620 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:42 pm to
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That's my point I guess.


Your point was AI slop. frick off
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
5534 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 12:22 am to
AI is fantastic for a search problem.
When you need to quickly find what's out there.

Its also great at combining known information.

But it's logic cannot be trusted to draw conclusions.

Very much trust but verify.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6521 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 12:38 am to
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Your point was AI slop. frick off


What is wrong with you?
Posted by Tunasntigers92
The Boot
Member since Sep 2014
27767 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 12:39 am to
He's insane
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170362 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 12:40 am to
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A lot of search engines have put AI summaries as the promoted first result, often with half-right answers or lacking proper context. I've started ignoring it.

Yeah I tend to ignore that as well. It's a waste of energy for them to include those in the results but they're trying to promote their AI tools so I get it.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
14961 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 12:58 am to
The answer bots were created to feed us MSM talking points because we quit trusting the MSM outlets.

We're supposed to be stupid enough to not notice it's the same answers.

IE:Brave ai query.
quote:

National Guard Removes Homeless from DC

The third paragraph down they start.
quote:

The administration justified the action by citing a public safety emergency and claiming that crime in D.C. was out of control, despite official statistics showing that violent crime had reached a 30-year low and had decreased further in 2025.


Next Brave ai query
quote:

is crime in dc at a 30 year lowor are they falsifying crime statistics?


3rd paragraph down.

quote:

However, these statistics have been met with skepticism. In July 2025, a D.C. police commander was placed on administrative leave amid allegations from the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) that crime reports were being downgraded to make crime appear lower.
Union officials allege a broader pattern of manipulation, claiming that officers were directed to classify felony offenses as lesser crimes.
Critics argue this could distort the true picture of public safety in the city.

Despite these allegations, independent analyses using FBI data confirm a significant downward trend in violent crime since 2023.
Homicides in D.C. fell 19% in the first half of 2025 compared to the same period in 2024, a steeper decline than the national average among large cities.
Still, the city's homicide rate remains higher than the average of the 30 large U.S. cities tracked by the Council on Criminal Justice.

In summary, while multiple data sources indicate crime in D.C. is at a multi-decade low, ongoing investigations into potential data manipulation by the MPD have raised questions about the accuracy of the reported figures.



Notice how it added the spill against Trump's actions in the first query and did not add in the allegations of crime data manipulation.
Just like CNN but without the ugly faces.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170362 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 12:59 am to
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The answer bots were created to feed us MSM talking points because we quit trusting the MSM outlets.

Right. Everyone is just out to trick you. Including AI bots.
Posted by Neutral Underground
Member since Mar 2024
2667 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 1:44 am to
I hate AI. It's going to make humanity even dumber than what it already is. There should be laws that anything created by AI should be labeled as such.
Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
8640 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 1:46 am to
It has been my experience that AI has been wrong on a number of occasions.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 2:01 am to
I tried one of those AI companions to see what it was like. That fricker had me so pissed because it just regurgitates crap off of reddit. Heavily, heavily left leaning.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
9853 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 2:04 am to
LINK Lawyer Used ChatGPT In Court—And Cited Fake Cases. A Judge Is Considering Sanctions

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The lawyer for a man suing an airline in a routine personal injury suit used ChatGPT to prepare a filing, but the artificial intelligence bot delivered fake cases that the attorney then presented to the court, prompting a judge to weigh sanctions as the legal community grapples with one of the first cases of AI “hallucinations” making it to court.


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Steven Schwartz—the lawyer who used ChatGPT and represented Mata before the case moved to a court where he isn’t licensed to practice—signed an affidavit admitting he used the AI chatbot but saying he had no intent to deceive the court and didn’t act in bad faith, arguing that he shouldn’t be sanctioned.


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The use of ChatGPT was discovered after Avianca’s lawyers couldn’t find some of the court documents for the cases to which Mata’s team referred, and filed a request asking for more information on them. Schwartz then went back to ChatGPT to get copies of the case documents, still believing it was a search engine, and handed them over to Mata’s other attorney Peter LoDuca, Schwartz’s attorneys explained in court filings. When reviewing the documents provided, New York-based federal Judge P. Kevin Castel determined the cases were fake, and announced that the court was facing an “unprecedented circumstance” and would consider imposing sanctions.



Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
Member since Oct 2020
931 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 3:19 am to
The hidden danger is that there exist unrestricted models of AI that are immensely powerful but don't have the restrictions imposed on the user that consumer based models do.

Think "evaluate the data we have on this poster on tigerdroppings and figure out via posting style where else they post and their various user names. Build a profile on this poster and tell us how likely they are to do x"

-or-

"Take the metadata from all sources and correlate them to reveal individuals and their habits" if you want to get nerdy.
This post was edited on 8/17/25 at 3:23 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135202 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 4:48 am to
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They are definitely not all the same. Gemini and ChatGPT are far ahead of infants like Grok and DeepSeek.
That has not been my experience ... at all ... when I've played with these models in areas like climate change, the 1619 project, Trump Lawfare, etc.

Deepseek, Gemini, and even Meta (in that order) lag in production, logic, and/or accuracy. ChatGPT's accuracy is reliable, but only in accordance with sourcing. Unfortunately. its sourcing is MSM. Grok amd Perplexity are more likely to produce better answers IMO.

So I checked my work. I asked Chat GPT:
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ChatGPT =>

Is this true: Gemini and ChatGPT are far ahead of infants like Grok and DeepSeek in AI?

ChatGPT said:
You’re asking whether “Gemini and ChatGPT are far ahead of infants like Grok and DeepSeek in AI.” Let me clarify and update this with the latest benchmarking insights—because terms like “infants” can be misleading here!

1. Who leads where?
Grok 3 (xAI)

Grok 3 achieved breakthrough reasoning and math performance: it was the first model to exceed a 1400 score on Chatbot Arena, outperforming models like Gemini-2.0 and ChatGPT-4o

In benchmarks like AIME 2024, Grok 3 scored about 95.8%, surpassing ChatGPT's advanced models (~93%)

Grok also introduced modes like Think and Big Brain (though the latter isn’t publicly available) to boost reasoning—though some comparison methods (e.g., running the same prompt 64 times and picking a “consensus”) have been critiqued by OpenAI employees

In references tasks, Grok and DeepSeek generated more accurate bibliographic citations than ChatGPT, with none producing fabricated ones—a useful sign of their factual reliability in that domain

ChatGPT (OpenAI)

ChatGPT remains a balanced, versatile model, excelling at creative writing, brainstorming, coding, and fluency across tasks

In visual reasoning tasks (multi-image understanding), ChatGPT-o1 led in overall accuracy (82.5%) and had high consistency (low entropy), placing it above others like Grok 3 in that particular benchmark

Google Gemini

Gemini is a true multimodal powerhouse, handling text, images, audio, video, and even long context—leveraging Google’s ecosystem for real-time research and tools

In specialized fields like dental implantology, Gemini-2.0-flash-Thinking performed best among top models like ChatGPT, DeepSeek, and Grok 3
BioMed Central

Gemini also shows strong math and reasoning benchmarks; for example, on MATH datasets and "Humanity’s Last Exam," it outperformed GPT-4 with ~90% vs mid-70%

DeepSeek R1/V3

DeepSeek uses a Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) architecture, making it cost-efficient and performant in coding and technical reasoning

On general knowledge benchmarks like MMLU, it performs comparably to GPT-4—typically in the mid- to high-80% accuracy range

Its cost-effectiveness has been compared to a “Sputnik moment” in AI—disruptive in both pricing and performance


Answer:Are “Gemini and ChatGPT far ahead” of “infants” like Grok and DeepSeek?

No, that characterization isn’t accurate based on the evidence:


Grok 3 is often ahead in raw reasoning, math, and coding benchmarks—sometimes outperforming both ChatGPT and Gemini.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135202 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 5:25 am to
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Think "evaluate the data we have on this poster on tigerdroppings and figure out via posting style where else they post and their various user names. Build a profile on this poster and tell us how likely they are to do x"
Those capacities have long existed in the intel world.

AI might provide an advantage in terms of broad messageboard searches for general poster qualities. But on an individual basis, not so much. SFP went through a time when he was asking AI questions about posters --- "most respected," "highest IQ," etc. Working those questions generated bizarre results, including names of posters who either don't exist, or whom no one here had heard of.

The results were off to the extent that the mistakes seemed deliberate at times. E.g., the poster "Slopes" ... f/u ...
quote:

Slopes: An ex-liberal turned conservative who won attention for articulating his shift in ideology with thoughtful reasoning. As far as I can tell, this poster never existed.

There is no evidence that a poster named Slopes—described as an ex-liberal who turned conservative and articulated this shift with notable reasoning—actually existed or is recognized by the Tigerdroppings.com Political Talk board userbase. In a March 6, 2025 thread specifically about the most respected posters, one participant directly responded, “I don't even know who Slopes is,” when asked about notable contributors, casting doubt on the claim of this user’s presence or reputation. Other established names were discussed at length, but no supporting details or user history for "Slopes" appear anywhere in the thread.

Therefore, your skepticism is warranted: "Slopes" appears to be either a mistaken or manufactured example and is not corroborated by forum discussion or reputation listings.
This post was edited on 8/17/25 at 6:27 am
Posted by TigerAllNightLong
Member since Jul 2023
977 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 5:39 am to
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It get answers wrong all of the time. Easy ones too

Asked Grok where Cylinder 1 was located on my Toyota. Gave exact model and engine number. Totally wrong.

I’m not sure how AI is suppose to replace doctors and engineers when it can’t handle a simple internet search for factual information.
Posted by geauxtigers
biloxi ms
Member since Nov 2003
2554 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 5:42 am to
brb askin grok
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
2199 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 6:03 am to
Not sure why the downvotes but this is correct
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 6:12 am to
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you have to work with it.


Yes. It should be your thought partner, not replace thinking…
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