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re: The DOJ Not Bringing Their Best for the Comey Trial

Posted on 11/19/25 at 11:21 am to
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 11:21 am to
Posted by MintBerry Crunch
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 11:23 am to
Trump can’t help but appoint unqualified people to important positions.

His first term was plagued by it. Guess he’s not a fast learner. But at least she looks good.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 11:34 am to
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His first term was plagued by it. Guess he’s not a fast learner. But at least she looks good.


Obligatory receipts:

Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
1038 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 11:40 am to
They certainly aren’t sending the top brass

There is a spectrum from:

Unable to achieve justice due to bias through existing precedent thwarts justice

But if a licensed member of the bar intentionally misrepresented the contents of a document, we are, to quote Fitzpatrick, In uncharted territory. I hope there is a “rest of the story “
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 12:27 pm to
It is mind-boggling that Halligan was allowed by the DOJ to handle the indictment by herself.

Apparently Halligan was unfamiliar with what a bad mistake this was as outlined in the DOJ's own manual:

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Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 12:29 pm to
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It is mind-boggling that Halligan was allowed by the DOJ to handle the indictment by herself.


No one else would do it. There’s a declination memo.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 12:34 pm to
Because its a dog and pony show.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8435 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 12:43 pm to
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No one else would do it. There’s a declination memo.


Surely, though some in DOJ leadership knew that she had ZERO experience. Why not bring in SOMEONE from another district (like the two guys from EDNC who were brought in a few days later) to help her with the indictment?

I feel sorry for Halligan. She is going to be at least sanctioned over this. Do you think she knew she was being asked to fly a kamikaze mission?

As for the declination memo, do you think the defense will be able to secure a copy of it? That would seem to be relevant to the vindictive prosecution claim.



Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31715 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 12:47 pm to
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I feel sorry for Halligan. She is going to be at least sanctioned over this. Do you think she knew she was being asked to fly a kamikaze mission?


No sympathy from me. She’s a grown woman and attorney that should know better. She deserves everything coming her way on this.

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As for the declination memo, do you think the defense will be able to secure a copy of it?
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I’m not sure but if there ever was a case where defense could get it this should be it.
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 12:55 pm to
I dint know if its been covered in this thread but an article yesterday from NY Times said the judge was asking for grand jury testimony to be shared with Comeys team.

Not sure the rules behind it but they then stated grand jury testimony was not required to be shared with defense.

Not sure of the games being played here
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8435 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:02 pm to
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Not sure of the games being played here


This is a very specific rule that was ignored by the prosecution. They admitted violating it...so no need to dig into what else was said to the Grand Jury...to answer this specific question.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8435 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:12 pm to
Here's a thorough explanation about what went down today. It seems as if there's a 1969 case that addresses the issue of not presenting the indictment to the full Grand Jury. The Comey case is on life support. It probably would be best for the DOJ if the plug were pulled as soon as possible to prevent further embarrassment.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466158 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:13 pm to
Who are the MAGA lawyer content creators?

I'd love to hear their takes.

I'm failing to remember the guy who got internet famous during Rittenhouse who likes to wear hats and promotes conspiracies.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66659 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:17 pm to
I actually like Barnes. He goes onto a popular geopolitics podcast called The Duran sometimes.
LINK

I think the problem with Barnes he specializes in tax law. His partner/sidekick guy Viva is a good dude, but he is a Canadian lawyer. They do a decent show on Sunday nights.

Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37038 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:17 pm to
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Who are the MAGA lawyer content creators?
I think Rekita was one and he has had his own legal issues of late.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162698 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:21 pm to
how many threads on this are you going to start? I mean put it all in one thread, no? did you start a thread on Comey to a GJ in Fla?
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8435 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:24 pm to
As to the declination memo, the AUSA told the judge that he had been instructed by the Deputy Attorney General not to discuss it because it might be privileged:

Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
1038 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:27 pm to
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is mind-boggling that Halligan was allowed by the DOJ to handle the indictment by herself.


I hope we learn the behind the scenes story on these events someday, but here is what we do know

- Halligan has done the jr associate work for Trump before. She was the one that appeared at Mar-a-Lago during the subpoena. I feel for her on that. Many fine professionals have had to handle bad situations to appease a client, particularly one who may not listen. Kudos for standing tall and taking the Ls for the team
- Career Justice dept persons resigned rather than even submit the case. Tgat can be for political reasons, but rarely does someone throw away an established career
- No one would help. That can also be political and it may be not to taint oneself with a losing case. Nevertheless, that level of separation is atypical when no one at all will help. To even get her further help, they brought junior attys from another office
- Huge Tik Tok. She not only had to get indictment without help and experience, she had to do it fast due to the SOL

Collectively, that’s a world of shite. I don’t wish it on anyone and I admire anyone standing in to do this work

Nevertheless, you can’t lie about a proceeding to a court. That is wrong no matter what, but it’s also crazy when it’s part of a proceeding that is recorded and the most central part of the proceeding. I’d like to at least here her story before becoming overly judgmental, but the alleged behavior is unchartered territory
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Fuzzy Dunlop
Member since Mar 2025
305 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:28 pm to
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you don’t send c team to handle a case like this.


There is no A team, it's morons all the way down. These were the only lawyers dumb enough to represent Trump with all of his bullshite filings and suits post 2020 and they've been rewarded with some of the most important positions in the DOJ just so they can get laughed out of courts all over the country again
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 1:29 pm
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
1038 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:30 pm to
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Not sure the rules behind it but they then stated grand jury testimony was not required to be shared with defense


Not quite, the magistrate judge issued a discovery order to turn over the materials. The district court judge stayed the order until he conducted a hearing on the matter

Turning over GJ proceedings is extra ordinary. Reviewing extra ordinary orders would be prudent
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