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re: The dad knew Ahmaud previously
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:04 am to Azkiger
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:04 am to Azkiger
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There's nothing to suggest he was committing a felony. It seems he had stand your ground backing him against the guys in the truck.
I'm still trying to figure out
Someone in another thread said he was "jogging with a hammer"
Is that true? Or not?
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:04 am to crazy4lsu
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The degree to which the local authorities bungled this should also be mentioned, because they bungled it.
It sounds like that department is FUBAR.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:04 am to StringedInstruments
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I can just see everyone here saying, "Oh the black guy was acting in self defense! What did the white do before he came running up on the two black guys?!?"
Because you're a racist.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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how did the son get in a position to be "charged" at?
This is something I've actually noticed that could end up being quite important....the son didn't just get out. He also moved from driver side to front of truck, and it's pretty reasonable to infer that he was moving towards the oncoming path of running man. Running man did appear to veer left as well. The logical conclusion is that they were moving towards each other, and not merely running man alone charging the son. If anything the son was moving more aggressively to the only path runner had at the time.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:04 am to Azkiger
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Even if someone saw him breaking into a house, in order for you to attempt a citizens arrest in Georgia you have to have witnessed the crime yourself. You can't go off what you heard.
I'm saying it's possible they witnessed it. The only evidence I have of that is the DA said they followed Georgia's citizens arrest law.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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this new "information" really has no bearing on the murder case
Aren’t you a lawyer? Whether or not there were prior interactions between the two parties absolutely should influence the charges and therefore the murder case.
I haven’t even seen the video. I have seen responses to the video unanimously saying it was a cold blooded murder. If there is any reason that it could not be cold blood, then yes it matters.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:05 am to imjustafatkid
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Maybe my disconnect is that I don't view someone holding a shotgun that they clearly aren't pointing at me as a threat
You might not, but the law would allow someone to see that as a threat.
I'd see that as a threat.
You have to see the context here. This isn't happening at your buddy's hunting camp where you expect to see someone holding a firearm.
They set up a road block, guys you don't know, and move to confront you.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:05 am to ShortyRob
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Someone in another thread said he was "jogging with a hammer" Is that true? Or not?
Not true. Someone on the internet found an article in the road going over the video frame by frame. At first, it was “a gun.” Today it’s a “hammer.”
No hammer is in the police report or the witness statements that we know of. Or the 911 calls.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:05 am to imjustafatkid
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I would have to say no you wouldn't be justified.
Really, so I am jogging on a public street and someone confronts me with a firearm... I am not justified if I shoot first? GTFO...
I don't give a frick where they are pointing their guns, the fact they are confronting me while holding their guns is enough to justify my shooting them in any reasonable person's mind...
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Some of them may even stop you to talk to you.
They are not going to do it in that manner and you know it...
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Maybe my disconnect is that I don't view someone holding a shotgun that they clearly aren't pointing at me as a threat.
Then you are pretty damn stupid. Sorry but I don't give a frick black, white, yellow, red... you confront me while holding a gun in your hands and you are going to have an issue...
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:05 am to ShortyRob
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Someone in another thread said he was "jogging with a hammer"
Is that true? Or not?
That's the first I've seen of that. I'm inclined to believe that is not true.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:06 am to ShortyRob
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Gotta love how it's in like the 30th paragraph of the story.
It's also not an accurate description of the events that led to his death, and the police made no mention of it to the mother until after a news report came out in April, despite having video that showed the events leading to his death from the day of the incident. This might be a small thing, ultimately, but the optics of it don't look good.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:06 am to imjustafatkid
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I'm saying it's possible they witnessed it. The only evidence I have of that is the DA said they followed Georgia's citizens arrest law.
They better have, otherwise this looks to be first degree murder.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:06 am to StringedInstruments
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Yeah I'm sure that would be the argument if the races were reversed.
Imagine a white guy running down the road and two black guys jump out in front of him with guns. He tries to run away and one of the black guys moves into him with his drawn gun. White guy tries to fight off the armed black guy and the two black guys shoot him dead.
I can just see everyone here saying, "Oh the black guy was acting in self defense! What did the white do before he came running up on the two black guys?!?"
...or would the threads be filled with comments like "animals"?
Race pimp
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:07 am to The Maj
I don't believe you.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:07 am to the808bass
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Not true. Someone on the internet found an article in the road going over the video frame by frame. At first, it was “a gun.” Today it’s a “hammer.”
Gotcha
And THAT is why I go slow......
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:08 am to ShortyRob
Did the guy swing the hammer at the armed men? It seems weird that he would charge the guy with a shotgun, but not use the hammer to defend himself. There may be more video with additional info.
There may be evidence he did commit a crime, but unless there is some significant additional facts I find it hard to believe these guys don't get convicted of some level of homicide (ie negligent).
There may be evidence he did commit a crime, but unless there is some significant additional facts I find it hard to believe these guys don't get convicted of some level of homicide (ie negligent).
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:08 am to BayouCowboy
He didn’t have a hammer.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:09 am to OceanMan
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Whether or not there were prior interactions between the two parties absolutely should influence the charges and therefore the murder case.
these "prior interactions" were criminal investigations
i'm not a GA attorney, but if their laws are anything like our laws, the bad character of the shooters may come into play, but what relevance is the deceased's history? to get back to common law, what probative value does this evidence hold? nothing. how prejudicial would this be? very
why would that come in?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:09 am to the808bass
You can see the hammer he dropped in the video
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:09 am to BayouCowboy
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Did the guy swing the hammer at the armed men? It seems weird that he would charge the guy with a shotgun, but not use the hammer to defend himself.
There is no hammer. There is an object on the ground in a frame of the video that people speculated was some type of weapon, but no mention of any weapon made it into the early documentation of the incident.
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