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re: The dad knew Ahmaud previously
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:10 am to BayouCowboy
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:10 am to BayouCowboy
quote:
Did the guy swing the hammer at the armed men?
Two things
1. It appears the hammer story isn't true
2. Even if it were true, how the frick would either of us know the answer to that question?
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:10 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
I don't believe you.
Your right, still doesn't change the fact that your view is pretty damn stupid and you really should not consider carrying a firearm because it will end up getting you killed while you wait for someone to point a gun at you...
Confront me with a firearm in your hands on a public street and you will find out...
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:10 am to Azkiger
quote:
They better have, otherwise this looks to be first degree murder.
Maybe so. I wouldn't lose any sleep over them getting convicted, but I honestly think the video supports their story. Whether their story should have constituted a crime anyway, I couldn't tell you. I just don't think they were lying in their version of events. If their version of events is a crime, I don't mind that. If it isn't, then I don't know what people are looking at that tells them otherwise. The original outrage seemed to be that they were lying and the police covered for them, but I see no indication that they ever lied about this.
They definitely did things I would not have done. I may have followed the guy till police arrived, but no chance I'd be out with a gun trying to talk to him.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 9:12 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:10 am to StringedInstruments
quote:
There is (almost) literally no backstory that can justify what transpired. Even if he had broken into and vandalized 20 homes that morning, citizens cannot perch from a truck and shoot someone dead.
I think we need to separate whether what they did was wrong and deserving of punishment and making sure the right charges are brought. Circumstances matter. The way this story is being framed is that this guy was exercising and was randomly gunned down by two crazed rednecks. If there is more to the story, the prosecutors need to know that to bring the right charges so these guys don’t walk.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:11 am to Caplewood
Yesterday it was a gun, now it is a hammer. Why didn't any mention of any weapon appear in the police report? 13 officers responded to this incident. Do you think all of them missed it?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:11 am to fatheadgator
:PokingWithStick:
Come on black people. Riot.
Come on black people. Riot.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:11 am to Purple Spoon
quote:
It doesn’t change the fact that two regular guys (not cops) chased a guy down in the street with loaded weapons and eventually that guy caught a shotgun blast to the chest.
Cops shouldn’t be allowed to do this either IMO
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:11 am to Caplewood
quote:
You can see the hammer he dropped in the video
Can’t see he dropped it...don’t know it was in possession- the father and son (per police reports) never mentioned he had a hammer and dropped it
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:11 am to StringedInstruments
quote:
citizens cannot perch from a truck and shoot someone dead.
I don’t think you know what the word perch means. The shots were fired by the guy fighting with him over the gun on the ground.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:11 am to crazy4lsu
quote:
There is no hammer. There is an object on the ground in a frame of the video that people speculated was some type of weapon, but no mention of any weapon made it into the early documentation of the incident.
ultimately it doesn't matter in terms of the confrontation
the shooter is arguing the deceased charged at him, which created his opportunity for self defense. if the hammer was present at the "charge", then it would matter. if the deceased no longer had it, then that severely hurts the self defense angle
and the shooter/dad have already memorialized their statements re: burglary, not this hammer situation
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:12 am to the808bass
quote:
Aha sings that one song from the 80s
Black guy shouldn't have tried to take him on.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:12 am to crazy4lsu
Idk I’m not really injecting an opinion just posting the picture. Im not going to get tricked into getting all emotional about a black guy getting killed, I’ve seen this narrative too many times
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 9:14 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:12 am to the808bass
quote:
Not true. Someone on the internet found an article in the road going over the video frame by frame. At first, it was “a gun.” Today it’s a “hammer.”
No hammer is in the police report or the witness statements that we know of. Or the 911 calls.
So, as we sit, the consensus assumptions are:
* Victim wasn't simply a jogger
* Victim probably was doing something illegal
* Victim wasn't carrying a weapon of any type
* Killers aggressively confronted Victim with weapons
* Fight started between victim and killer
* Victim was shot
Is that a fair best guess?
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 9:13 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:12 am to crazy4lsu
quote:
Yesterday it was a gun, now it is a hammer. Why didn't any mention of any weapon appear in the police report?
I've not seen anyone claim he had a weapon of any kind until someone asked about a hammer itt.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:13 am to fatheadgator
quote:
the father and son (per police reports) never mentioned he had a hammer and dropped it
exactly. that's why it loses relevance
these cops (and likely prosecutors) seem to have conspired with the shooters to concoct a story. if they change that story....yikes
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:13 am to fatheadgator
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McMichael, a former Glynn County cop, told Glynn police he recognized Arbery, 25, from surveillance video that captured a recent burglary in his mostly white neighborhood. He said he planned to make a citizen’s arrest.
Can anybody point out to me an instance where this has ever turned out well?
We all have cell phones today. If you see somebody suspect, call the cops, Gomer. Don’t try to “citizens arrest” them yourself.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
ultimately it doesn't matter in terms of the confrontation
You're right. I'm just pointing out how none of the documentation we have mentions any type of weapon. It's insane that people can run with this as though it is true.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:14 am to moneyg
quote:
* Victim wasn't simply a jogger
* Victim probably was doing something illegal
* Victim wasn't carrying a weapon of any type
* Killers aggressively confronted Victim with weapons
* Fight started between victim
* Victim was shot
That all seems fair. I don't think the guys were being very aggressive when they tried to stop him, but I agree with the rest.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:14 am to crazy4lsu
yeah since they created this story (and the DA has made public comments), i can't imagine if there was a potential weapon it wouldn't have been mentioned by now. hell, the DA seemed to be focusing more on the autopsy report (so i'm guessing he had drugs in his system?)
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:15 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
I don't think the guys were being very aggressive when they tried to stop him
We have very different definitions of what it means to be aggressive.
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