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re: The dad knew Ahmaud previously
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:46 am to rmc
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:46 am to rmc
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Can you give me a scenario of events that are not included in that video that make the shooting ok?
I could give like 50.
But, they would all be conjecture.
I'm content to let the information come out, a trial to occur, and the defense to present its case.
In either case, your lack of imagination doesn't really matter. The reality is, you know VERY little at this point. And, one would think that even a LITTLE awareness of history of the media in similar cases would slow you down a bit.
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:46 am to imjustafatkid
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The local DA said they followed Georgia's citizens arrest law. The one the family demanded recuse.
That DA is going to be in hot water when this is all done. Lying in a memo isn’t going to help him.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:47 am to fatheadgator
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“From best we can tell, Ahmauds older brother has gone to prison in the past and is currently in the Glynn jail, without bond, awaiting new felony prosecution. It also appears a cousin has been prosecuted by DA Johnson's office.”
As I read this, I started hearing Hank Williams Jr.’s “Family Tradition”.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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burglary isn't even a crime of violence, so if they witnesses him burgle the house (which they 100% did not), that alone doesn't allow a violent response.
If it's a felony they could have attempted a citizen's arrest. The violence that followed could be blamed on the jogger depending on how it went down.
There's a way these guys walk but it's a very thin path and the evidences known at this time makes it virtually impossible.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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that's irrelevant, too we already know what is in the police reports and what the video shows. there isn't really much else too relevant
Um...………..you're normally more measured than this.
You know what hasn't occurred? A trial.
If everyone who looked guilty in police reports and initial stories were actually guilty, there'd be a lot more people in jail.
These dudes may damned well be guilty and, I've already posted on this board that the facts I'm AWARE of make them look fricking horrible.
I just wasn't born yesterday. I've traveled this road before.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:48 am to ShortyRob
Here’s the first thing that gave me pause.
Police tell the mom, “hey your son was shot breaking into a house.”
At first she says, “ok, makes sense.”
I can try to dig up the link.
That’s probably not going to make the McMichael’s life any easier. But it made me say “hmmm.”
Police tell the mom, “hey your son was shot breaking into a house.”
At first she says, “ok, makes sense.”
I can try to dig up the link.
That’s probably not going to make the McMichael’s life any easier. But it made me say “hmmm.”
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:48 am to the808bass
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That DA is going to be in hot water when this is all done. Lying in a memo isn’t going to help him.
This is what I don't get... It is like people forget how this shite plays out if it is a legitimate / justified shooting... Why be stupid when it is questionable at best...
I know why, but everyone knows regardless the shite is not going to be pretty...
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:49 am to ShortyRob
Just give me one. I am trying to understand what scenario justifies what happened. In my mind there is none.
I am sensitive to that and of course I'm not saying don't give these guys their day in court. I can't imagine how that shooting is ever justified. Lack of imagination may the reason.
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The reality is, you know VERY little at this point. And, one would think that even a LITTLE awareness of history of the media in similar cases would slow you down a bit.
I am sensitive to that and of course I'm not saying don't give these guys their day in court. I can't imagine how that shooting is ever justified. Lack of imagination may the reason.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:50 am to ShortyRob
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I just wasn't born yesterday. I've traveled this road before.
Point out the last case that had video evidence of an unarmed suspect running down a road and being shot dead by citizens that had emerging evidence "trickle out" later that justified the killing.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 8:50 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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that alone doesn't allow a violent response
It seems the "violent response" was due to him charging the son and trying to take his shotgun. It seems clear in the video that he lunges at the son. I can't see anyone moving toward him prior to that.
Once he is charging at the son, it is then self defense. Not even stand your ground self defense. Total, normal, every state self defense.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:50 am to imjustafatkid
If this thing hinges on some citizens arrests law, they might get acquitted.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:51 am to the808bass
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Police tell the mom, “hey your son was shot breaking into a house.” At first she says, “ok, makes sense.”
I hadn't seen this either.
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I can try to dig up the link. That’s probably not going to make the McMichael’s life any easier. But it made me say “hmmm.”
To be sure.
Look. I don't want to fall into the trap of appearing to defend these dudes either.
I've just got the sense to know that what "appears" to be true can often turn out not to be.
So, there's no rush. The hanging isn't scheduled for tomorrow. I can wait to learn more.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:52 am to ShortyRob
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Um...………..you're normally more measured than this.
You know what hasn't occurred? A trial.
If everyone who looked guilty in police reports and initial stories were actually guilty, there'd be a lot more people in jail.
but i'm saying there isn't much else out there for the defense in terms of evidence. the shooters can only change their story from the original police reports (which will seriously hurt their credibility). this is different from cases like Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown b/c we have a video. this is different from cases involving LEO b/c these guys aren't cops.
we know they shot the kid. we know how they did it and that whole sequence of events. the killing is not in dispute
the issue is their defenses to this killing. those defenses will be much more legal than factual, and the factual issues we have on camera (outside of the present sense impressions of the son, which we have memorialized in a police report already)
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:52 am to the808bass
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Police tell the mom, “hey your son was shot breaking into a house.”
Well that's dumb if it isn't true, but there was a 911 call from someone else about a guy breaking into a house immediately before this happened. It is possible that statement is true and we just don't have that information right now.
ETA: Not sure how that would look bad for the father and son though. We're they the one's telling the mom that?
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 8:53 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:52 am to imjustafatkid
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Once he is charging at the son, it is then self defense. Not even stand your ground self defense. Total, normal, every state self defense.
Yeah I'm sure that would be the argument if the races were reversed.
Imagine a white guy running down the road and two black guys jump out in front of him with guns. He tries to run away and one of the black guys moves into him with his drawn gun. White guy tries to fight off the armed black guy and the two black guys shoot him dead.
I can just see everyone here saying, "Oh the black guy was acting in self defense! What did the white do before he came running up on the two black guys?!?"
...or would the threads be filled with comments like "animals"?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:53 am to ShortyRob
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In either case, your lack of imagination doesn't really matter. The reality is, you know VERY little at this point. And, one would think that even a LITTLE awareness of history of the media in similar cases would slow you down a bit.
Exactly. Wait for the facts to come out at trial.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:54 am to rmc
quote:Then stop making definitive statements that you can't actually be definitive about.
I am sensitive to that and of course I'm not saying don't give these guys their day in court.
It's perfectly OK to say, "based on what I've seen and learned, this shite looks very bad...…..but damn, this has happened to me before...…….so, I want to know more"
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I can't imagine how that shooting is ever justified. Lack of imagination may the reason.
I've discovered in my 5+ decades of life that human events can STILL surprise me. That shite that never even crossed my mind.....happens.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:54 am to imjustafatkid
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It seems the "violent response" was due to him charging the son
the son gets out of the car with a gun and it's the deceased who "charged"?
all this while another guy keeps a gun on the deceased?
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and trying to take his shotgun
that's called self defense. the deceased could have shot the guy and it would have been legal
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I can't see anyone moving toward him prior to that.
how did the son get in a position to be "charged" at? magic? did God teleport him out of the truck?
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Once he is charging at the son, it is then self defense.
a. he didn't charge. the son engaged him
b. that was the deceased's self defense from an illegal attack on him by the son
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:55 am to StringedInstruments
I said it earlier, but if stand your ground can apply to both parties, it’s not an especially impressive justification.
If Ahmaud had been armed and shot one of the McMichaels, no one defending the McMichaels would be defending him.
If Ahmaud had been armed and shot one of the McMichaels, no one defending the McMichaels would be defending him.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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the issue is their defenses to this killing. those defenses will be much more legal than factual, and the factual issues we have on camera (outside of the present sense impressions of the son, which we have memorialized in a police report already)
Dude. We have like 9 seconds on camera.
Look.
If you asked me to bet on it, my bet is that after trial, they still look guilty as frick of a crime.
But, thank God that in our nation, that's not how we do justice because if it were, I'd have sent a lot of people to jail on bets I should have lost.
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