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re: The dad knew Ahmaud previously
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:56 am to StringedInstruments
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:56 am to StringedInstruments
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I can just see everyone here saying, "Oh the black guy was acting in self defense! What did the white do before he came running up on the two black guys?!?"
...or would the threads be filled with comments like "animals"?
Most posters are calling this murder...
Take your race baiting bullshite somewhere else.
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:56 am to ShortyRob
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It's perfectly OK to say, "based on what I've seen and learned, this shite looks very bad...…..but damn, this has happened to me before...…….so, I want to know more"
Yeah its also ok to say I can't imagine any facts outside of what I know justifying this. I'm not in the jury pool here. I can be persuaded. I just don't see it happening.
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I've discovered in my 5+ decades of life that human events can STILL surprise me. That shite that never even crossed my mind.....happens.
Not going to argue with you there boomer.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:56 am to imjustafatkid
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Well that's dumb if it isn't true, but there was a 911 call from someone else about a guy breaking into a house immediately before this happened.
He didn’t break into a house.
Just like he didn’t run through a school with a gun.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:56 am to imjustafatkid
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It seems the "violent response" was due to him charging the son and trying to take his shotgun.
Look, I am a stand your ground, self defense guy all the way... I own more guns that most small armies can employ at a single time - well, I did until the boating accident...
Confronting someone on the street with a gun is the start of the "violent response"...
If I had been jogging, and had my sidearm (which like Colin Noir I normally do) and some dudes confront me with guns, my shite is coming out and I am firing without asking them any questions...
So, would Ahmaud have been justified in shooting?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:57 am to StringedInstruments
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Yeah I'm sure that would be the argument if the races were reversed.
I don't know what "the argument" means, but that would be my argument for sure.
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He tries to run away and one of the black guys moves into him with his drawn gun.
I don't see this in the video. No one is moving into him.
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White guy tries to fight off the armed black guy and the two black guys shoot him dead.
I just don't see what he's supposedly fighting off. No one is charging him. In the video, no one is pointing a gun at him until he's trying to take it.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:58 am to rmc
quote:Boomers are older than me.
Not going to argue with you there boomer.
Just sayin
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:58 am to the808bass
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I said it earlier, but if stand your ground can apply to both parties
It could apply to the jogger so long as he didnt commit a felony and justify their citizens arrest.
There's nothing to suggest he was committing a felony. It seems he had stand your ground backing him against the guys in the truck.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:59 am to the808bass
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Police tell the mom, “hey your son was shot breaking into a house.”
At first she says, “ok, makes sense.”
Here's a link.
LINK
The local authorities should come under scrutiny here, as there are numerous things that give me pause, and they've almost certainly bungled the initial handling of the case.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:59 am to the808bass
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Aha sings that one song from the 80s
Hunting High and Low is a great album
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:59 am to mtntiger
to me, this is a lot different than the Trayvon Martin case because the "white Hispanic" was actually in a neighborhood watch patrol. These two knuckleheads jumped in their truck and followed the man.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:59 am to The Maj
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Look, I am a stand your ground, self defense guy all the way... I own more guns that most small armies can employ at a single time - well, I did until the boating accident... Confronting someone on the street with a gun is the start of the "violent response"... If I had been jogging, and had my sidearm (which like Colin Noir I normally do) and some dudes confront me with guns, my shite is coming out and I am firing without asking them any questions... So, would Ahmaud have been justified in shooting?
I tend to agree.
If they confronted him with guns...…….and he wasn't actually guilty of having committed a crime...…..then, it would be perfectly reasonable for him to feel in danger and react accordingly.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:00 am to ShortyRob
i'm not saying they will be convicted 100% b/c juries are weird, but we already know the facts and the defenses
the primary issue is the son claiming self defense while being the aggressor (along with his dad, who is covering him the entire time with a gun)
the second issue is whether the "stop" was legal. if it's not, they're fricked
the primary issue is the son claiming self defense while being the aggressor (along with his dad, who is covering him the entire time with a gun)
the second issue is whether the "stop" was legal. if it's not, they're fricked
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 9:02 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:01 am to imjustafatkid
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but there was a 911 call from someone else about a guy breaking into a house immediately before this happened
They reported someone at a house under construction that wasn't closed up.
Even if someone saw him breaking into a house, in order for you to attempt a citizens arrest in Georgia you have to have witnessed the crime yourself. You can't go off what you heard.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:01 am to crazy4lsu
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Powell has been on paid administrative leave since his arrest Feb. 27 on charges of perjury and violating his oath of office, stemming from a scandal last year that imploded the department’s narcotics enforcement squad. Echoing many other local leaders’ opinions, Perry said there should have been an immediate arrest by Glynn County police the day of the shooting. Short of that, the GBI should have been called in to take over the investigation.
Well that doesn’t help.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:02 am to The Maj
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If I had been jogging, and had my sidearm (which like Colin Noir I normally do) and some dudes confront me with guns, my shite is coming out and I am firing without asking them any questions...
So, would Ahmaud have been justified in shooting?
Reading your description of events, I would have to say no you wouldn't be justified. Especially if they aren't even pointing their guns at you. People are probably carrying guns around you all the time. Some of them may even stop you to talk to you. That doesn't give you license to have a violent response.
Maybe my disconnect is that I don't view someone holding a shotgun that they clearly aren't pointing at me as a threat. I would have at least talked to these guys before lunging for a gun.
Other than the possible crime we're discussing, what crime are the father and son committing prior to that moment?
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 9:03 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:02 am to crazy4lsu
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Here's a link.
That definitely is an odd quote
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“They told me he was involved in a burglary,” Cooper said. “And during a confrontation — a tussle over a handgun — he was shot and killed. I didn’t question that at the time, because when authority comes and tells you something, you trust authority.”
Gotta love how it's in like the 30th paragraph of the story.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:03 am to ShortyRob
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he wasn't actually guilty of having committed a crime
At most it appears he was guilty of trespassing on the neighbor's house, as the neighbor admitted the footage only showed trespassing. In addition, none of the early documentation mentions any item that was actually stolen (or any weapon possessed by the victim for that matter). The degree to which the local authorities bungled this should also be mentioned, because they bungled it.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:03 am to The Maj
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So, would Ahmaud have been justified in shooting?
Yes, so long as he hadn't just committed a felony.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:03 am to imjustafatkid
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Maybe my disconnect is that I don't view someone holding a shotgun that they clearly aren't pointing at me as a threat. I would have at least talked to these guys before lunging for a gun.
You’re a weird dude.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:03 am to imjustafatkid
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Reading your description of events, I would have to say no you wouldn't be justified.
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Especially if they aren't even pointing their guns at you
what was the father doing in the back of the truck?
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People are probably carrying guns around you all the time.
how many times in your life have you confronted 2 armed men (one pointing at you) lying in wait for your arrival?
common, everyday occurrence in your life i'm sure
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Maybe my disconnect is that I don't view someone holding a shotgun that they clearly aren't pointing at me as a threat. I would have at least talked to these guys before lunging for a gun.
oh
...
ok
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