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re: The Cracker Barrel controversy is only tangentially about politics or "wokeness"
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:50 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:50 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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That’s a lot of words about a Cracker Barrel issue. While it may not be textbook “woke”, the basic attitude is still the same. Trying to erase what has been established & popular with a core base & replace it with something nobody asked for. Thinking that they can just mothball an older image with a modern version and people will blindly accept it because “where else are they going to go for their rustic family style restaurant chain?” wasn’t thought out very well. Seeing it over and over again, so-called leadership is out of touch with their base and they are trying to wish a new era and generation of brand loyalty into existence. This is why they fail.
I agree with you, but what I am saying is it’s not about tearing down the established order but about, in their eyes, chasing where they think they money is now rather than being loyal to those who were loyal to you.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:51 am to 14&Counting
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It’s just a tired old brand that has a much older and less affluent demographic.
And yet there are lines out the door at breakfast and lunch every single time I’ve ever driven by one.
People 18-49 still go to eat there because that’s where their parents took them. The nostalgia doesn’t end with the older generation.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:56 am to pankReb
quote:that's a fact. I love movies with cars from the 40s and 50s because they are cool as hell and I wasnt even born when they were on the road
People 18-49 still go to eat there because that’s where their parents took them. The nostalgia doesn’t end with the older generation.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:56 am to InkStainedWretch
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Cracker Barrel
Holy shite, I just can't figure out all of the concern over a corporate comfort food chain. I like comfort food as much as the next guy, but damn, their's has never really even been all that good.
Why do so many people give so many shits about this organization?
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Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:58 am to pankReb
The 18 to 49 crowd in my locale, and a lot of older folks, and this is certainly anecdotal, YMMV, pack out Waffle House. And the last few breakfasts I have had there have been vastly superior to Cracker Barrel.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:59 am to Harry Boutte
People get their backs up when they think something that belonged to them has been taken away by Philistines, even if it never really belonged to them.
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Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:01 am to InkStainedWretch
Waffle House is one of the few places that I think is better now than it was 20 years ago.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:01 am to InkStainedWretch
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The 18 to 49 crowd in my locale, and a lot of older folks, and this is certainly anecdotal, YMMV, pack out Waffle House. And the last few breakfasts I have had there have been vastly superior to Cracker Barrel.
That’s because the quality has fallen off. I’ve noticed it like other have in this thread. It’s nothing to do with the nostalgia ending with the older generation. I’ll still occasionally go with my wife because that’s where her parents loved to go and we aren’t really that impressed anymore with the quality of food.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:04 am to InkStainedWretch
Honestly, the decor was always kitschy and a lot of places have similar sort of junk sale objects on their walls. I don't think anyone went there for that. The issue is more that their food sucks now, they have gone down a lot in quality of both service and the food itself.
Also, people are sick of changing stuff. They see a gimmicky reset and know that it's just management doing what management now does, creating change to manage change. Quality and stability don't matter to the boardroom. They want new innovative ideas and they want to see those turn into higher stock prices.
They see the woke political statements and wonder WTF this has to do with poorly cooked ham and biscuits. 5 years ago CB stock was trading at 150/share and now it's 53/share. After this failed reset fades they'll kick the CEO out, she'll get a golden parachute and go into some other area of elite change management and the next CEO will "hear" the cries of the customer and return some to something akin to what they used to be. That will be the change he'll manage and the whole crappy system continues. The only way it stops is if enough of the American consumer stops rewarding crappy CEOs and their companies by avoiding places like CB and opting for higher quality but similar alternatives. Like waffle house!

Also, people are sick of changing stuff. They see a gimmicky reset and know that it's just management doing what management now does, creating change to manage change. Quality and stability don't matter to the boardroom. They want new innovative ideas and they want to see those turn into higher stock prices.
They see the woke political statements and wonder WTF this has to do with poorly cooked ham and biscuits. 5 years ago CB stock was trading at 150/share and now it's 53/share. After this failed reset fades they'll kick the CEO out, she'll get a golden parachute and go into some other area of elite change management and the next CEO will "hear" the cries of the customer and return some to something akin to what they used to be. That will be the change he'll manage and the whole crappy system continues. The only way it stops is if enough of the American consumer stops rewarding crappy CEOs and their companies by avoiding places like CB and opting for higher quality but similar alternatives. Like waffle house!
Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:07 am to 14&Counting
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It’s just a tired old brand that has a much older and less affluent demographic. Trying to make it more modern/hip whatever isn’t going to work. It is what it is. These retail concepts all seem to have a natural finite life cycle
Maybe but I think if they were willing to down size as their business model deteriorates they would close the worst hit ones and then comeback in the future.
Theory being You buy a car... it gets old. Its value goes down. But eventually it becomes and antique and gains value again. I think that could apply to cracker barrel as AI, electric cars and sushi bars take over. People will eventually want to "go home again".
Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:07 am to UncleFestersLegs
The grilled catfish (catfish doesn’t have to be fried, best catfish I ever had in my life was grilled lemon pepper at Marko’s in Daytona Beach) and rainbow trout at Cracker Barrel used to be the bomb. Couple of pieces of good fish with those country veggies, couldn’t beat it with a stick.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:07 am to InkStainedWretch
Not disagreeing with what you wrote, but I think there's another component to big media's obsession with youth over age. They don't see themselves as purveyors of information, they want to influence opinions and beliefs. They want to guide the electorate and the country in their preferred direction. As people get older, it's harder to change their minds. Younger people are more malleable, more swayed by pressure to conform to consensus opinions.
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Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:10 am to wdhalgren
Maybe, but I think it boils down to old=bad and new=good.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:18 am to InkStainedWretch
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But this is more about the compulsion of marketing people to chase the young like a bum in the gutter in the Bowery in NYC chases Ripple or crack more than anything else.
18-29 demo swung hard red this last election. That demo isn't too keen on the hyper fixation on LGBTQ everything. Cracker Barrel restaurant placement is almost exclusively rural/suburban, focusing on being near travel arteries.
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The problem is Cracker Barrel is what it is. It's tradition, it's an old clientele going in and looking at things that remind them of the past and eating things their doctors don't want them to eat.
So slowly change/update the astetics to match the current 50-70 crowd.
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You can't sell that s**t to yuppies eating avocado toast
Yuppies eating avocado toast don't live in the areas Cracker Barrels are located.
You might as well be saying the dollar store needs to carry prime cut luxury steaks or something.
Their LGBTQ post, in 2025 (not 2020), is the loose thread to pull on. Colleges are putting out SJWs, it's hard to not hire those types in mass in a large corporation. That's who is behind this.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:31 am to Azkiger
A lot of those people are trapped in bubbles when it comes to their views of “young people.”
And this is going on 60 years ago but the poster who brought up CBS canceling all those rural comedies that were still high in the ratings (and shortly thereafter Gunsmoke which had an older and non urban audience) was right on target with the connection here.
There is a certain amount of wanting the “right kind” of 18 to 49 customers involved, absolutely, and it skews to focusing on cities because there has been data that shows young people gravitating to urban areas, I don’t know if that has changed.
But again it’s a case of Cracker Barrel being what it is and 180 degrees removed from an urban brand. Although you wonder if it hasn’t crossed this woman’s mind to try to stick one in Times Square.
And this is going on 60 years ago but the poster who brought up CBS canceling all those rural comedies that were still high in the ratings (and shortly thereafter Gunsmoke which had an older and non urban audience) was right on target with the connection here.
There is a certain amount of wanting the “right kind” of 18 to 49 customers involved, absolutely, and it skews to focusing on cities because there has been data that shows young people gravitating to urban areas, I don’t know if that has changed.
But again it’s a case of Cracker Barrel being what it is and 180 degrees removed from an urban brand. Although you wonder if it hasn’t crossed this woman’s mind to try to stick one in Times Square.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:38 am to Azkiger
Food quality, pricing, and service IMHO is always the issue with any restaurant. The decor is secondary for me and I actually do like the cleaner ligher updated interior as my eyes get older. The store has always been an added benefit for the ladies who like to shop, and I like seeing some of the older candies, etc. that you don't see anywhere else. I think the service has gone down like many places mostly due to it being hard to find good workers since the pandemic. If you're going to try to keep prices low, food quality is inevitably going to suffer somewhat and pricier food items will disappear from the menu. As for the catfish or any fish served in restaurants these days, I stay away from all farm-raised fish that are fed artificially-colored food to mimic the wild-caught fish. For the price I still find their breakfast and food better than most places.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:38 am to InkStainedWretch
It's nothing more than the transition from Capitalism to communism. Communism erases the past, changes the vocabulary to totally reinvent the culture. The parasite is trying to attach itself to its next host to feed off until it is ultimately destroyed. America is that host.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:39 am to Cajun75
You think the tens of millions of dollars spend redoing these stores aren't going to be reflected in prices? Or smaller portions?
Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:43 am to InkStainedWretch
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Cracker Barrel IMO is the same way as far as an ingrained image. It is what it is. You cannot change it, you cannot remake it, you cannot escape it.
Agreed. Same as an old friend who relocated his business into a renovated Pizza Hut years ago. Know how he describes the location to anyone over 25?
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