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re: The CR has failed in the House, not enough votes remaining to pass

Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:56 pm to
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
24534 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:56 pm to
No political capital expended, he is not president yet.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281926 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:56 pm to
Hes turning this into a power play. It may not turn out well for him.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:58 pm to
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Can’t someone introduce a bill specifically for the farmers and ranchers?



That's how things are supposed to work.

Same with disaster relief.

Today they only seem to do emergency bills when Ukraine gets invaded.
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
13442 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:58 pm to
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There's no reason at all that Musk and Vivek couldn't have done this behind the scenes weeks prior to this vote, if they hated the pork so much.

The 1500 page bill wasn't released for even members of Congress to read until earlier this week.

My rep, Andrew Clyde, didn't get a copy until after 7 PM on 12/17.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 6:59 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
156919 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:58 pm to
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Frustration against Johnson began earlier this week before the legislative text was available as lawmakers across the ideological spectrum criticized GOP leadership for a lack of communication about what was included in the spending bill. That anger bubbled over after the text was released and lawmakers lamented about the short time frame to digest thousands of pages of legislative changes.

“The American people don’t send their representatives to Washington to vote on a 1,500-page bill in less than 24 hours that spends $110 billion, adds $110 billion to the deficit without the opportunity to offer an amendment to perhaps pay for this bill,” said Freedom Caucus Chairman Andy Harris (R-MD). “The process is broken.”

Harris’s complaints, shared by others in the conference, stem from how the now-scrapped continuing resolution was structured.

The package was broken into two parts: a funding portion to continue current spending levels for government agencies until March 14 and a second portion that includes $110.4 billion in disaster relief and farmer’s assistance.

However, there were no spending cuts included in the bill to offset the costs, raising alarm bells for deficit hawks in both the House and Senate.

“It’s just wasteful spending with no pay-fors,” said Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL). “We won the election. This has got to change.”

Other members expressed upset about the additional funding tacked on to the continuing resolution, as many said they were under the impression it would just include a clean extension of those current spending levels. As a result, some were shocked when they saw additional measures, including a slew of healthcare reform provisions.

“It was always the discussion of doing a clean CR, and the question was, how long do you want to do the clean CR?” Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO) told the Washington Examiner over the weekend. “But now, in the very last week before everybody goes home for Christmas, they’re going to totally make a huge change in the healthcare policy that is going to cost the American people a lot of money.”

Pressure started to grow on Johnson after prominent conservative figures such as Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy came out against the bill, calling it counterproductive to the GOP’s plans to cut spending.

But leadership ultimately pulled the legislation after Trump and Vance’s joint statement condemning its “sweetheart provisions,” telling Republicans to call Democrats’ bluff should they fail to cooperate.

Trump also suggested lawmakers should include a debt ceiling lift — something that could take days, if not weeks, of negotiations.

“Increasing the debt ceiling is not great but we’d rather do it on Biden’s watch. If Democrats won’t cooperate on the debt ceiling now, what makes anyone think they would do it in June during our administration?” Trump and Vance said in a joint statement. “Let’s have this debate now. And we should pass a streamlined spending bill that doesn’t give Chuck Schumer and the Democrats everything they want.”

Trump dug in on that stance in a later statement, even going so far as to say that any Republican that doesn’t support a clean CR with a debt ceiling increase attached “should, and will be, Primaried.”

“If Republicans try to pass a clean Continuing Resolution without all of the Democrat ‘bells and whistles’ that will be so destructive to our Country, all it will do, after January 20th, is bring the mess of the Debt Limit into the Trump Administration, rather than allowing it to take place in the Biden Administration,” Trump said in a post on Truth Social. “Everything should be done, and fully negotiated, prior to my taking Office on January 20th, 2025.”
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:00 pm to
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Now Trump wants to primary and run purity tests with a 5 seat advantage in Congress? How is he going to get the rest of his agenda passed if a spending bill is this much trouble?


He won't unless he gives dems what they want.

Which is exactly what he did the first time around.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
9616 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:07 pm to
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What is the reason 33 republicans voted no?



Those are the actual fiscal conservatives
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
4924 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:07 pm to
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What is the reason 33 republicans voted no?


They don't want to win election next time. Even though this didn't pass, it shines a bright light on RINOs who need purging.

UPDATE: I have so much respect for Thomas Massie that I take seriously any position he takes. I will actually take the time to read comments here suggesting the 33 might be the actual fiscal conservatives.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 7:35 pm
Posted by bayouvette
Raceland
Member since Oct 2005
5287 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:08 pm to
Screw it shut it down. Dems had 2 votes. Lol. Couldn't care less about any of them.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
9616 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:08 pm to
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They don't want to win election next time. Even though this didn't pass, it shines a bright light on RINOs who need purging.



Those 33 are definitely not the RINOs. You don't know what you're talking about
Posted by TarheelPete
Carrboro
Member since Jun 2024
615 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:08 pm to
I am impressed.

This no vote has united the LibTards, CuckTards, and TrollTards.

None of them have any solutions, but they love jerking each other off.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:09 pm to
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Those are the actual fiscal conservatives


We need a couple hundred more of them.

Even if MAGA calls them RINOs.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
4924 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:09 pm to
quote:

Those are the actual fiscal conservatives


Rats! I was hoping this was cut and dry. That those who voted no were RINOs.

Don't need a full explanation, but why are they "actual fiscal conservatives"?
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
9616 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:11 pm to
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Don't need a full explanation, but why are they "actual fiscal conservatives"?



They are mainly opposed to raising the debt ceiling for two years while not cutting spending (the debt ceiling isn't even set to expire until the summer).
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
36391 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:11 pm to
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Those are the actual fiscal conservatives


What do they want?
Posted by jlnoles79
Member since Jan 2014
13816 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:12 pm to
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They don't want to win election next time. Even though this didn't pass, it shines a bright light on RINOs who need purging.


Some of you won't be happy until the GOP is fiscally aligned with Bernie Sanders
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
9616 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:13 pm to
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What do they want?



Drop the debt ceiling increase, a clean CR with no extras. There are some GOP members who are opposed to passing CR's on principle because it's not regular order (passing 12 funding bills individually and on time).
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
23426 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:15 pm to
So who's the 33 GOP House Reps? Hope they're ready to start cleaning out their offices. Time to gear up for their new upcoming lobby gigs because their time in congress will soon be coming to an end.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
9616 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:16 pm to
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So who's the 33 GOP House Reps? Hope they're ready to start cleaning out their offices. Time to gear up for their new upcoming lobby gigs because their time in congress will soon be coming to an end.



They're mostly the 33 Reps in the most conservative districts in the country.

Again, y'all need better education on this
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 7:17 pm
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
17457 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:16 pm to
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I am impressed.

This no vote has united the LibTards, CuckTards, and TrollTards.

None of them have any solutions, but they love jerking each other off.
us fricktards are holding out for a better deal.
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