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re: The Boyfriend should be charged for the death of Taylor
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:00 am to russellvillehog
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:00 am to russellvillehog
quote:The cops PROBABLY had enough info to obtain a warrant.
guess what? if a felon with a warrant commonly stays at your house, and surveillance says so, you will be getting a visit. welcome to the dope game dumb frick.
In MY mind, that is not the relevant question here. The relevant question is whether the info available to them (setting aside the lies in the affidavit) were adequate to support ANY sort of forced-entry warrant ... much less one served in the middle of the damned night.
With these facts, law enforcement should politely knock on the door in the full light of day.
This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 9:03 am
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Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:04 am to AggieHank86
quote:
quote: Everyone knows that he shot through the damn door right? Good Lord, this happy horseshite again? With ONE exception, the reports indicate that he fired
But then wouldn’t he have been in the line of fire and been the one to be shot instead of BT?
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:06 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:The relevant question is whether ANY drug offense is worth violating the property rights of an innocent person AND endangering innocent people (including neighbors and bystanders) by engaging in this sort of late-night cowboy policing.quote:Forced entry raids should be limited to the most extreme situations in which other innocents are facing imminent and immediate danger. Glad to have been of service!
Also what is the argument in this thread?
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:06 am to Jjdoc
Agree 100%. He directly caused her death.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:08 am to EA6B
quote:Have you ever seen these guys strutting about in their fancy black tactical gear, bought with federal money?
In the past this guy would have been arrested on the street as he left the apartment without all the theatrics of the cops acting like some type of paramilitary spec ops unit endangering the other residents , and everyone else involved. The police need to return to being just police.
They ain't giving that up. Thanks Nancy Reagan.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:10 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:Scrub, you are talking to jjBot.quote:Shut up, moron.
Screw you. He shot a cop and therefore put anybody all in that apt at risk. He used deadly force. The response was deadly force.
Let's not insult actual morons like that.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:10 am to Jjdoc
quote:Any moron can see this. Everyone knows this.
It was his actions that caused her death.
He shot the cop that resulted in her death.
If he does not shoot, she is alive today.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:12 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:This is not fair. You are using the very words of jjBot's hero to disprove the way in which jjBot ASSURES us that his hero was injured.
....Mattingly said he and his fellow officers knocked on Taylor's door multiple times but no one answered. They continued knocking, he said, but when it became clear no one was answering, they broke down the door. Mattingly describes walking into the apartment, turning down the hall and being met with gunfire. He said he could feel a bullet hit his leg and he fired multiple shots in return.
Just not fair.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:16 am to i am dan
quote:Well, neither Walker nor Taylor had ever been convicted of anything (except maybe misdemeanor traffic offenses and such), as I understand it.
The police knocked and identified themselves. You're as ignorant as everyone else defending the criminals.
Seems a bit harsh to be calling them "criminals."
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:17 am to AggieHank86
Do you suggest he not return fire?
Do you suggest he wasn't supposed to be there?
What is your position?
Do you suggest he wasn't supposed to be there?
What is your position?
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:21 am to AggieHank86
quote:Ok, that is fine. Object to the warrant. But what happened at the home is clear as a bell, and their is no dead person if the boyfriend doesn't open fire.
Well, neither Walker nor Taylor had ever been convicted of anything (except maybe misdemeanor traffic offenses and such), as I understand it.
Seems a bit harsh to be calling them "criminals."
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:24 am to tigerfoot
quote:The warrant was NOT lawfully obtained, because the supporting affidavit contained MULTIPLE knowing and intentional falsehoods. (As I recall, the affiant has been subjected to internal discipline by the PD). It WAS, however, lawfully issued by the judge ... who is REQUIRED BY LAW to accept as true the statements contained in the affidavit.
Do you suggest he not return fire? Do you suggest he wasn't supposed to be there? What is your position?
As such, it is certainly POSSIBLE that some of the officers present for the raid were NOT complicit in the fraudulent procurement of the warrant. I do not know whether this officer was "in the loop" on the fraud and misrepresentation. So I will assume that he was not.
Based upon those fact and assumptions (in favor of the cops), the warrant never should have been requested in the form that it was requested. Nonetheless, it WAS, and the judge signed it. As such, the officers had a LEGAL right to be present ... and to defend themselves when fired upon, even if the resident was ALSO justified in firing upon them (which he was).
My position is that the officer who obtained this warrant by misrepresentation and fraud should be somewhere turning big rocks into smaller rocks with a sledgehammer.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:26 am to EA6B
quote:
He shot a unidentified intruder ...
It wasn't done as a no-knock warrant. The police officers announced themselves as police officers serving a warrant, announced that they were going to use a battering ram and then used a battering ram. I don't know the number of people in American history who collaborated with each other to impersonate a group of police officers to the extent of procuring uniforms and informing their mark that they were going to use a BATTERING RAM before using a BATTERING RAM, but I'm going to guess zero people have ever done this.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:33 am to tigerfoot
quote:True.
what happened at the home is clear as a bell, and their is no dead person if the boyfriend doesn't open fire.
And there is no dead person if the cops had not fraudulently obtained the warrant in the first place.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:01 am to AggieHank86
quote:what was fraudulent?
And there is no dead person if the cops had not fraudulently obtained the warrant in the first place.
And why are people in the streets?
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:14 am to tigerfoot
quote:Quoted from the affidavit:
what was fraudulent?
quote:All false as to Breonna Taylor and her residence.
Affiant is requesting a No-Knock entry to the premises due to the nature of how these drug traffickers operate. These drug traffickers have a history of attempting to destroy evidence, have cameras on the location that compromise Detectives once an approach to the dwelling is made, and a have history of fleeing from law enforcement.
As to the "no-knock" nature of the warrant, the warrant incorporates the above-quoted request for a "no-knock entry" by attaching the affidavit and incorporating it by reference, as follow:
quote:Warrand & Affidavit
there is probable and reasonable cause for the issuance of this Search Warrant as set out in the affidavit attached hereto and made a part hereof as if fully set forth herein
quote:Most of them? Because they mistakenly believe that Taylor was killed because she was Black. Most people are emotional idiots.
And why are people in the streets?
This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 10:18 am
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:15 am to AggieHank86
They had ample reasons for a warrant.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:17 am to Janky
quote:Agreed.
They had ample reasons for a warrant.
and NONE for a forced-entry warrant.
Very different questions.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:55 am to seawolf06
quote:
If he does not shoot, she is alive today.
You don't know that. Cops fired indiscriminately into the house - clearly there to carry out murder or worse.
He was firing due to the guy shooting at the cops... so no.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 11:09 am to AggieHank86
quote:
The warrant was NOT lawfully obtained, because the supporting affidavit contained MULTIPLE knowing and intentional falsehoods. (As I recall, the affiant has been subjected to internal discipline by the PD). It WAS, however, lawfully issued by the judge ... who is REQUIRED BY LAW to accept as true the statements contained in the affidavit.
The irony here.... From you no less.
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