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re: The bible doesn't forbid homosexuality - the left

Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:37 am to
Posted by stampman
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:37 am to
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I do believe she is right about Jesus never speaking out against homosexuality, though.


Could we wait to find someone who was always by his side to verify this?? Inquiring minds wanta knows!
Posted by RCDfan1950
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:37 am to
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I do believe she is right about Jesus never speaking out against homosexuality, though.



Jesus spoke out against SIN. Sin being beliefs and actions that move one's individual character further away from REAL LOVE. God being Love. Jesus did not condemn the harlot woman that the Pharisees wanted to stone. There is a helluva difference between real 'natural' love, and the fake version. Fake requires that the individual acquiesce to believing whatever allows service to their desire, Lucifer/Absolute Narcissism being at the fore of 'fake' (The Lie").

IMO, Adam and Eve (Metaphorical?) left the 'Garden' of innocence in order to experience 'Evil', that they might know themselves and make a valid choice to worship God/Love over love of Self/Lucifer. I do not begrudge any individual their right to experience all things which may affect their 'education' and ultimate, valid choice. I have no idea where the 'homosexual' urge comes from, no more so than I do where my own 'urges' do. I suspect such is and - to be fair - must come from previous (life) experience, beliefs and choices and consequences.

God did not "forbid" Adam and Eve this choice, though as any responsible and moral 'parent', he did state the ultimate consequences.

I know one thing for sure, having children changes one's perspective and character in regard to Love, and the highly problematic scenarios therein. An individual can learn things via having children that they will never experience being 'gay'. I oft suspected that the very moniker 'Gay' describes a spiritual scenario wherein people essentially DODGE the responsibility of children for the 'gaiety' of supposed freedom and happiness. Not good in the 'big picture'.

Just my $.02.

Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:37 am to
And a felony
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21393 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:40 am to
Trent Horn has discussed this topic many times. Here’s one recent video:

LINK
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:40 am to
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after 1946
This translation is after 1946, and doesn’t use the H-word, but it clearly defines it.

”If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable…” - Leviticus 20:13

The Holy Bible, New International Version®
NIV®
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by
Biblica, Inc.®
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 9:41 am
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:40 am to
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Last time I checked, an adult man having sex with a young boy is a homosexual act.

Yes but it's more heinous than a man with another man. Idk shite about these translations though.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:42 am to
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People need to understand that most languages aren't as complex as English and are hard to accurately translate.


It’s not hard to translate commandments. “Do not do this.”

Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
6048 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:42 am to
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The bible doesn't forbid homosexuality - the left


The left thinks it’s okay to murder babies. Let’s not waste time imagining that the left cares what the Bible says about anything.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:43 am to
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I know one thing for sure, having children changes one's perspective and character in regard to Love, and the highly problematic scenarios therein. An individual can learn things via having children that they will never experience being 'gay'. I oft suspected that the very moniker 'Gay' describes a spiritual scenario wherein people essentially DODGE the responsibility of children for the 'gaiety' of supposed freedom and happiness. Not good in the 'big picture'.


I think you’re correct.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:45 am to
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They are very aware [of God's Law that opposes Divorce).

It’s just ignored like the left is trying to do with homosexuality.


Maybe in your opinion.

It is clear that homosexuals have ZERO reasons to want to believe the Holy Bible and Word of God -- nor have they any inclination to follow His Laws.

OTOH, Christians DO believe and want to follow God's Laws and Commandments -- albeit, too often selectively or faltering. (Yes, there are exception who *are* aware.)

I have lost count of the number of Christians who simply *still* do not know God's position on Divorce. This is likely as result of being conditioned to accept and adopted Civil Law on marriage as equal to or legit as God's Law.

We can not pretend to know how The Almighty handles the above matter -- whether it's known or a matter of ignorance.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 9:51 am
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:47 am to
If the progressives hadn't mastered the ability to redefine words, to bastardize history, to steadily destroy societal norms, they wouldn't have had a chance to fundamentally change America.....unfortunately the progressives infiltrated academia and the rest is our unfortunate US history.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:49 am to
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I have lost count of the number of Christians who simply *still* do not know God's position on Divorce. This is likely as result of being conditioned to accept and adopted Civil Law on marriage as equal to or legit as God's Law.


I remember when divorce was frowned upon, and it was nearly impossible to have your marriage annulled by a Catholic priest.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:50 am to
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I do believe she is right about Jesus never speaking out against homosexuality, though.


He never spoke out in favor of it either.

In Christianity, the arrival of Jesus heralded a change in how certain aspects of Judaism were viewed (thus the New Testament works vs the Old Testament works). For Christians, when there is a difference in stances between the two Testaments (for example, in the Old Testament called for animal sacrifices to atone for sins but in the New Testament Jesus was the sacrifice, thus there is no longer a need/requirement to sacrifice animals), we default to the New Testament. Where the New Testament is silent on something but the Old Testament speaks on it, we default to the Old.

Taking away the religious dogma and looking at it from simply a societal stance, homosexuality was very likely frowned on back then because infant mortality was so high and large, new generations were needed to help in supporting the family (having lots of kids to take care of you in your old age was pretty much the only retirement plan which existed back then).

From a purely biological standpoint, it's an evolutionary dead end. It could also be that it occurs as a natural attempt at limiting over-population.

Ironically, the societal stance defeats the biological stance as it has had the result of many homosexuals subverting their natural inclinations in favor of societal acceptance by achieving heterosexual sex (thus passing on those latent homosexual tendencies to further generations, combine that with knowledge which has almost neutralized infant mortality and you get the ability for natural-born homosexuality to proliferate to the point where the impressionable begin to question their own sexuality).


...and now I'm off on a tangent.
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
6012 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:52 am to
That isn’t the only scriptures on divorce, Paul talks about divorce between a believer and non believer. Jesus never mentioned an abusing spouse, by your logic they should stay. Divorce is a sin just like all manner of sin it can be forgiven. As far as homosexuality is concerned, all sexual immorality is condemned by the Bible. It’s a shame more Christians don’t understand the Bible in its full context.
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:55 am to
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We can not pretend to know how The Almighty handles the above matter -- whether it's known or a matter of ignorance.


He put it in the book. It’s going to be on the final exam.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:55 am to
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I remember when divorce was frowned upon, and it was nearly impossible to have your marriage annulled by a Catholic priest.


Yup. I recall as well.

Then came civil "No-Fault" laws which made it a snap.

With respect to RCC "annulments," how does one "annul" what is legal in the eyes of God?

Moreover, there was RCC system and pecking order and system of allowing divorce that too often and hypocritically relied on societal status, financial compensation, and "connections" -- sins unto themselves.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:59 am to
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He put it in the book. It’s going to be on the final exam.


The Lord will be merciful in His Grace. All who are Believers are still sinners.

That said...

As Christians we must tread carefully when "stretching the rules." That is one Hammer of Justice you don't ever want to see slammed. It's...a FOREVER verdict.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:08 am to
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That isn’t the only scriptures on divorce, Paul talks about divorce between a believer and non believer


Hear ya. I chose only the one quote by Jesus.

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Jesus never mentioned an abusing spouse, by your logic they should stay.


What I say and my conjecture doesn't matter; what's in Scripture does.

The Lord lays out His opinion and laws in several chapters and verses. Yes, there *are* exceptions on justification for divorce -- I never represented that there wasn't.

But what I *am* saying -- The Lord takes marriage (*and* divorce) very seriously. And warns against frivolous divorce. It is one of the sins the Lord "hates."

With respect to "sin," NOT ALL sins are considered equal. God in unequivocal about "hating" some sins more than others. For example...abominations like homosexuality.

quote:

It’s a shame more Christians don’t understand the Bible in its full context.


Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:09 am to
Outside of any religious text or teachings, I often think that a strong, All-Americam clean cut guy (like myself as a 24 year old soldier) should be cleaning up with respect to the good looking "normal" young women these days.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
63069 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:14 am to
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It's apparently based on this new documentary, '1946' which claims that it's a mistranslation of the original scripture.


It isn't. The word "homosexual" started being used in Bibles immediately after it became commonly used.

Whatever they want to call what is written in the original text, it has the same meaning as the word "homosexual."

The argument that that word wasn't in the Bible could be used for literally every word in the English language Bible. No English words were in the original text.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 10:16 am
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