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re: The Atlantic: the great affordability crisis breaking America
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:40 pm to uway
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:40 pm to uway
quote:I don't follow? The nuclear family doesn't have to live in a city
The nuclear family is the basic unit of society and a bulwark against the tyranny of the state.
quote:I guess I could see this as a possibility. That said, I think the biggest driver to the lack of shared purpose is a complete disconnect over the reality that you need both regions to survive
I think we are losing our sense of community and shared purpose, and the nation is dissolving before our eyes as a result, and that the absence of families in our cities is part of this
Metropolitan City dwellers look down on flyover country and say retarded stuff like land doesn't vote. Well excuse me but I disagree land in fact does and should vote. Because you can't live in a high-rise 1000 people if there is not somebody running a farm at about three people per square mile. And of course you can't really make a living in those world areas if nobody in the city is running the ports.
Frankly the rural people know this but the city people have their heads up their arse
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:43 pm to uway
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Could y'all put even the least bit of effort into not reinforcing "muh I worship the free market" "conservative" stereotype?
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even if you can only do it in BFE while the town your grandparents grew up in turns into a giant meth lab.
Interesting that you ask for a little effort then make a statement like that, putting no effort yourself into this.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:43 pm to cahoots
I welcome more density. I just want the government to improve the road and drainage infrastructure to keep up with that increasing density. I also want the government to stop using section 8 as an arbitrary rental price floor and shipping POS tenets into my community. I would also like my government to enforce laws against theft and burglary against those who commit those crimes.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:44 pm to cahoots
quote:then it sounds like the market is working. If there's no space why would you want more people there? And I mean quite obviously if it is already packed at the prices now it's not going to get less packed if somehow we reduce or subsidize the prices
You could help out SF proper by building more apartments, but you can't realistically get affordable homes into Palo Alto through lax government. There is no space
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:44 pm to uway
quote:in my experience the word nuanced is used in nearly 100% of the cases as a proxy for whining that you don't like what someone else said
It really is as if a large portion of "conservatives" are entirely incapable of nuanced thought
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:45 pm to cahoots
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Watch how fast conservatives turn into marxists when someone wants to open a strip club in their neighborhood.
The zoning nazis im.my city arent conservatives.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:45 pm to kingbob
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The free market is not always pretty or fast, but when every person is making their own decisions, 350 million heads are better than one, and better decisions are made in aggregate.
Better by what metric?
Are you measuring the general anxiety of the population? Opioid use? Suicide rates?
Are my choices just either full-blown Communism or full-blown capitalism with no community decision making?
Because y'all talk as if those are the only two choices.
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The free market is not some religion
So let's stop worshipping it and believing that a higher power has decreed that every decision which increases total economic activity is the morally correct one and the best one for the general well-being of human beings.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:45 pm to cahoots
quote:I wasn't aware that San Francisco and New York City were full of conservative nimbys
All you conservative NIMBYs are fricking marxists
That crap don't show up in the polls
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:46 pm to uway
quote:so if I am understanding you in this thread correctly
PARKS?!
You want your city to have some green space, little league fields (and kids to play on them), and, like LIBRARIES and shite?!
You want all of the perks of policies that drive the prices up even worse than they already are with none of the negatives
What are you? 5 years old?
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:46 pm to The Pirate King
Rent controls are to blame for housing shortages at least in NYC.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:47 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:apparently because contrary to the theory of the thread people in fact can afford to live there at those prices
My question is, why is the demand so high in those cities
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:48 pm to cahoots
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Whatever man. Most people posting on this board would never vote to allow more density in their own neighborhoods. Book it
Yes but I'm smart enough to know that if I vote to prevent more density it makes living where I am cost more
I'm not going to frickin complain about it
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:50 pm to uway
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Better by what metric?
Are you measuring the general anxiety of the population? Opioid use? Suicide rates?
Is drug use and suicide exclusive to capitalism?
A rising tide lifts all boats. The most economically efficient use of property is that which generates the most economic activity. If you want to prioritize aesthetics and humanitarian concerns over efficiency, then you must also accept higher real estate prices as the trade-off for that loss of efficiency.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:52 pm to ShortyRob
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in my experience the word nuanced is used in nearly 100% of the cases as a proxy for whining that you don't like what someone else said
Zing!
I don't like when people who are my natural allies act like they have their heads up their asses. I did qualify my whine with the acknowledgement that my rant was ungenerous. That's pretty self-aware for a 5 year old. Can I have a cookie?
Posted on 2/10/20 at 4:00 pm to ShortyRob
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This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 7:27 am
Posted on 2/10/20 at 4:06 pm to Magician2
quote:And while it’s not as extreme, these cities are also experiencing housing problems (e.g., shortages, prices, etc.) as a function of growth and increase in demand.
Texas and Florida, Nashville, atlanta, Charlotte, Denver, Columbus, Indianapolis etc the list goes on.
In addition, there is this unique juxtaposition or financial incentives with massive generational demographic changes with one large generation (baby boomers) reaching retirement age when people often downsize but with historically low interest rates and the housing price increases, they are incentivized to not downsize while another larger generation (millennials) is reaching the age where they are looking for those homes that aren’t for sale. So there is both an influx of demand and a limit on supply happening. On top of these, builders are making fewer “starter homes” which would help address that demand.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 4:10 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Not for the owners before the constraints are put in place. They get to benefit from the lower price points before the changes as well as the increase in equity as the price points increase.
Yes but I'm smart enough to know that if I vote to prevent more density it makes living where I am cost more
I was really hoping for Columbus to win the Amazon second headquarters bidding war, because I was building a house right when it was in the middle of it and 50,000 jobs would definitely have increased the demand of an area where supply already lags well behind the demand. But I’m sure if I was a couple years away from buying, I would not have enjoyed that same phenomenon.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 2/10/20 at 4:14 pm to buckeye_vol
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On top of these, builders are making fewer “starter homes” which would help address that demand.
This is very specific to territory. But it isnt true in my area. Builders would much rather put up crap that can cram as many units as physically possible into .15 acres of land.
The reason why housing prices bubble in my area is a lack of "second homes". The gap from starter home to dream home is huge. And without a stepping stone, people will be stuck in their starter homes much longer (creating a lack of fluidity in the market and creating an increased pressure on the starter home price).
Posted on 2/10/20 at 4:15 pm to ShortyRob
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The nuclear family is the basic unit of society and a bulwark against the tyranny of the state.
I don't follow? The nuclear family doesn't have to live in a city
The cities are our cultural centers and very influential on the society as a whole. If they are emptied of families, and you think families are important, you can't see that as a good thing.
Note that I'm not saying there is an easy or feasible answer to this.
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That said, I think the biggest driver to the lack of shared purpose is a complete disconnect over the reality that you need both regions to survive
Metropolitan City dwellers look down on flyover country and say retarded stuff like land doesn't vote. Well excuse me but I disagree land in fact does and should vote. Because you can't live in a high-rise 1000 people if there is not somebody running a farm at about three people per square mile
Part of me thinks it would be better if people weren't so ignorant of the importance of farming and part of me is glad because I don't want Bernie nationalizing the farms which you know those idiots would vote for.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 4:20 pm to ShortyRob
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why is the demand so high in those cities
apparently because contrary to the theory of the thread people in fact can afford to live there at those prices
I'm pretty sure that's not why the demand is high. After all, there are plenty of places that are even more affordable.
No, there's another factor at play here that's driving demand to live in those cities.
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