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Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:05 pm to ShortyRob
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define for me why this is a problem?
The nuclear family is the basic unit of society and a bulwark against the tyranny of the state.
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I'm not asking this to be flippant but really why? I mean I don't even want to live in these places so admittedly I can't quite fathom why it's an enormous loss for the country.
I think we are losing our sense of community and shared purpose, and the nation is dissolving before our eyes as a result, and that the absence of families in our cities is part of this.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:07 pm to xiv
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Because home prices would probably be higher on purpose (free market) if republicans ran those cities.
Sonuvabitch the stupid got stacked high with that one.
The "market" if left unfettered will get things to a balanced cost. Developer A will go for premium, lower volume and charge accordingly. Developer B will go high density, brutally hacking down at final price (with all the pros and cons of that). Developer C will take a middle route. Whoever makes the biggest profit will be emulated.
Voila! That's how capitalism works.
What is going on now is - housing inventory is basically fixed - very little increases in units in the Bay Area (particularly in the city of San Francisco) and certainly nothing compared to the rise in demand. So, when government regulations artificially cap supply - with no other checks on the system, prices SKYROCKET. But, even worse, no incentive by landlords to improve their stocks, because they're not really competing in a capitalist system, but rather a closed, government-imposed monopoly (of a sort).
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The only reason prices are high is because of capitalism.
Nope. Capitalism is shut out of San Francisco (and many progressive enclaves - green spaces, severe restrictions on density are NOT capitalism).
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:11 pm to ShortyRob
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you already have a supply-and-demand pressure
You have a most disagreeable way of agreeing.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:13 pm to Ace Midnight
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The "market" if left unfettered will get things to a balanced cost. Developer A will go for premium, lower volume and charge accordingly. Developer B will go high density, brutally hacking down at final price (with all the pros and cons of that). Developer C will take a middle route. Whoever makes the biggest profit will be emulated.
Voila! That's how capitalism works.
Could y'all put even the least bit of effort into not reinforcing "muh I worship the free market" "conservative" stereotype?
Y'all really will watch the country go down the toilet as long it makes some financiers rich and you have enough money to afford Sunday Ticket, even if you can only do it in BFE while the town your grandparents grew up in turns into a giant meth lab.
/ungenerous rant
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:17 pm to uway
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muh I worship the free market
Free market capitalism has lifted more folks out of poverty just in the past 50 or 60 years than all the Marxists in all of history.
Period. Full stop.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:21 pm to Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:23 pm to Ace Midnight
It really is as if a large portion of "conservatives" are entirely incapable of nuanced thought.
I mean, damn. Do you really think you're conversing with Marxists, just because we don't think that the optimal solution to every problem is whatever the "free" market comes up with?
I mean, damn. Do you really think you're conversing with Marxists, just because we don't think that the optimal solution to every problem is whatever the "free" market comes up with?
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:27 pm to Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:30 pm to uway
What solutions have you offered?
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:30 pm to cahoots
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How dare you stop apartment construction in your backyards
PARKS?!
You want your city to have some green space, little league fields (and kids to play on them), and, like LIBRARIES and shite?!
Down with you, Commie Scum! Eco-terrorist!
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:30 pm to uway
The free market is not some religion. It is not theory. It is human nature. It is the aggregate of every human making their own decisions. It is like water. It always flows downhill and always finds the sea. You can build obstacles, but it will go around them, undermine them, or seep through them through people changing their habits, moving, or resorting to the black market. Where there are impediments, the market can stagnate for a time, but that is not its nature. Eventually, it will break those constraints or overtop them.
The free market is not always pretty or fast, but when every person is making their own decisions, 350 million heads are better than one, and better decisions are made in aggregate.
And yes, conservative nimby’s are marxists and deserve ridicule. Anything worth having, people will pay for the market to provide for. Anything not worth paying for isn’t worth the tax money to provide it.
The free market is not always pretty or fast, but when every person is making their own decisions, 350 million heads are better than one, and better decisions are made in aggregate.
And yes, conservative nimby’s are marxists and deserve ridicule. Anything worth having, people will pay for the market to provide for. Anything not worth paying for isn’t worth the tax money to provide it.
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:31 pm to Ace Midnight
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Capitalism is shut out of San Francisco
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Sonuvabitch the stupid got stacked high with that one.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:32 pm to cahoots
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All you conservative NIMBYs are fricking marxists
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:32 pm to wutangfinancial
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you know that cities can grow in multiple directions, right?
There are limitations. Tectonic activity is certainly a consideration for me.
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These two are not like the NE cities you listed.
NYC already has many high-rise residences.
But the fact is that there are government restrictions in one form or another in every single city. What all cities don't have in common are geographical (and geophysical) limitations, and high demand.
My question is, why is the demand so high in those cities?
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:34 pm to uway
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PARKS?!
You want your city to have some green space, little league fields (and kids to play on them), and, like LIBRARIES and shite?!
Down with you, Commie Scum! Eco-terrorist!
Holy crap! Talk about over the top, hyperbolic, stereotyping. Most everyone one here has simply said remove types of residential zoning restrictions like height limits and single family occupancy requirements to increase availability.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:36 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:36 pm to Powerman
The market should allow for me to build a detached garage and a one bedroom apartment above it.
The government is what stops me, pal.
The government is what stops me, pal.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:38 pm to cahoots
My own neighborhood doesn’t have massive housing shortages and people calling for government to step in and fix this affordability problem
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:40 pm to cahoots
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The government is never going to make you prosperous. Only hold you back.
That's fine, dont bitch about it. Their personal choice.
Anyone saying that housing in the vast majority of the country is unaffordable is an idiot.
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