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re: The Atlantic really mad at Twitter. They have no answer for #DiedSuddenly.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:23 am to Penrod
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:23 am to Penrod
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Covid also has a spike protein, and it causes inflammation at a much higher rate than the vaccine.
If covid causes more inflammation than just the spiked protein it's because of the covid virus itself not just because of the spiked protein.
The spiked protein is just part of the covid virus among several other proteins that make up the entire virus.
FYI, any person infected with any virus has more inflammation that the spiked protein alone. It's called being sick.
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:25 am to GumboPot
Isn’t this the same publication that urged covid amnesty?
Yeah nah frick them
Yeah nah frick them
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:28 am to Penrod
To be fair. Attributing every sudden death to the vaccine, if the victims were vaxxed... is the other side of the coin of attributing every death to covid, if they died with covid.
Both are dangerous. It's just one side only has a Twitter account... the other side was responsible for state level lockdowns that destroyed our economy.
Both are dangerous. It's just one side only has a Twitter account... the other side was responsible for state level lockdowns that destroyed our economy.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:29 am to Powerman
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The answer is literally in the first paragraph above
You're just intent on being stupid
The paragraph you quoted addressed nothing about the promotion of the video Died Suddenly within Twitter #DiedSuddenly hash tag.
Your comment is a non sequitur. It does not flow from the previous comment.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:34 am to Penrod
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Covid also has a spike protein, and it causes inflammation at a much higher rate than the vaccine
You have what seems to be a cursory understanding of the method of action of this vaccine. The vaccine’s spike was also coded with protections that naturally occurring spikes do not have. Subsequently, these stay in your body longer and they also accumulate in certain tissues irregularly as compared to naturally occurring spike from the virus.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:40 am to GumboPot
People should be taking note of which entities are big mad about free speech. Covid isn’t the real issue here.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:43 am to Penrod
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So is the criticism of the vaccine. I keep pointing this out: almost none of us knows anyone who has had a problem with the vaccine.
And, couldn't the same be said about people hospitalized/died with/from COVID? Still doesn't change the narrative of trying to guilt people into taking the COVID shots & boosters. Hell, I've had my Dr actually recommend against getting the vaccine early on because I was at such a low risk; but didn't stop those that would judge me because I was "unvaccinated".
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:48 am to Flats
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People should be taking note of which entities are big mad about free speech. Covid isn’t the real issue here.
Exactly.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:51 am to crazy4lsu
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There has been such a study that compared vaccination to infection, but given the dwindling population of the unvaccinated, I'm skeptical you'll get a vaccinated vs unvaccinated study.
There are tens of millions of unvaccinated Americans so I don’t agree with this premise.
The public health authorities lack the will the answer the question, not the means or the study population to do so.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:57 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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The left's messaging is incredibly consistent. They jump straight past the debate about the accuracy of the story and go straight to "we need to moderate it".
Only consistent once they don't own said platform.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:13 am to crazy4lsu
Do you mind linking that study here?
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:40 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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I know several middle aged people who had heart issues and a few old ones that died.
Those middle-aged people, are you sure it was the vaccine, and not covid, that caused it?
And about those old people...You know several old people who died? Come to think of it, so do I.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:43 am to tide06
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Myocarditis and other cardiac issues are skyrocketing. Evidence suggests mortality is way up as well. These are hugely significant problems.
We just had a pandemic. The reason you assign this problem to the vaccines, and lefties assign it to covid, is because you are both blinded by partisan doctrine.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:45 am to GumboPot
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If covid causes more inflammation than just the spiked protein it's because of the covid virus itself not just because of the spiked protein.
The spiked protein is just part of the covid virus among several other proteins that make up the entire virus.
FYI, any person infected with any virus has more inflammation that the spiked protein alone. It's called being sick.
Yep, I agree with all of this.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:49 am to The Estimator
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You have what seems to be a cursory understanding of the method of action of this vaccine.
As does everyone else in this thread.
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The vaccine’s spike was also coded with protections that naturally occurring spikes do not have. Subsequently, these stay in your body longer and they also accumulate in certain tissues irregularly as compared to naturally occurring spike from the virus.
I don't think there was anything "naturally occurring" about this virus. And, according to my cursory understanding, the spike protein from the virus stays in circulation in your bloodstream for a very long time, too.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:50 am to Weekend Warrior79
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And, couldn't the same be said about people hospitalized/died with/from COVID? Still doesn't change the narrative of trying to guilt people into taking the COVID shots & boosters. Hell, I've had my Dr actually recommend against getting the vaccine early on because I was at such a low risk; but didn't stop those that would judge me because I was "unvaccinated".
Yep, That's why I stated that it never should have been mandated.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:59 am to Penrod
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We just had a pandemic. The reason you assign this problem to the vaccines, and lefties assign it to covid, is because you are both blinded by partisan doctrine.
You are assigning motive to create a strawman rather than address the most simplistic of questions: Why hasnt the FDA run a clinical trial to show long term safety of the mRNA vaccine?
All of this could be cleared up once and for all for a mere fraction of the advertising budget the federal government is spending monthly to support the vaccination rollout. Yet they aren't. As they would for literally every other drug they have approved in the last 50 years.
But you just want to hide behind whatabouttism and blame me for being partisan instead of holding our health authorities to task for making patently and objectively false claims throughout this entire process.
Patently false claims by the FDA:
-There was no AE cardiac risk (short term data showed risk and there was no long term safety data)
-Stated the vaccines prevented infection (Trial data did not support these claims, much less against subsequent variants)
-There was no risk for expectant mothers (even short term safety data showed massive risk and no other medication would've been indicated for that group based on the risk profile)
Any of those claims made by a pharma company would've led to the parties involved being prosecuted criminally.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 11:00 am
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:00 am to tide06
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There are tens of millions of unvaccinated Americans so I don’t agree with this premise.
Sampling would be a problem regardless. And outside of that, infection with COVID is far worse than vaccination, and the sequalae are also far worse with infection. The suggestion that COVID is in fact a multi-system disorder transmitted by respiratory means falls on deaf ears, despite several features of it which are curious and suggest HLA serotype mediation.
I've asked repeatedly for an injury pattern, signs and symptoms, anything at all with regard to vaccine injuries, and no one has produced a single tangible thing. There are a limited number of ways that something pathologic operates, yet none of the critics of the vaccine have produced any slides of histopathology? I've read pretty much every link that people have posted critical of the vaccine, many with such significant errors and lack of understanding of immunology that it leads to one conclusion.
Clinically, what I see and what the board insists upon are two wildly different things, but that doesn't really seem to matter in these discussions.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:00 am to Amorybulldog
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:05 am to crazy4lsu
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Sampling would be a problem regardless
No it wouldn't. The FDA has a process for orphan trials that have patient populations in the hundreds or thousands. Enrolling a trial with a patient demographic that is between 50 and 100 million in the US alone would be almost immediate.
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And outside of that, infection with COVID is far worse than vaccination
You have no clinical data to support that claim. Zero.
I would love to run a trial to test your hypothesis though.
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I've asked repeatedly for an injury pattern, signs and symptoms, anything at all with regard to vaccine injuries, and no one has produced a single tangible thing.
And Ill respond yet again. Myocarditis is through the roof. You claim its covid related but you simply don't know because you can't clinically separate the cause of injury from vaccine, disease or other factors.
All anyone is asking for is the data to separate fact from fiction and avoid injuring millions of additional human beings whatever the cause and establishing clear risk profile for the vaccines once and for all.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 11:06 am
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