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re: The actual indictment

Posted on 8/1/23 at 7:51 pm to
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
17347 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 7:51 pm to
So in other words, like I said earlier, abusive litigation / judicial harassment
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62653 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:15 pm to
quote:

This one actually says “lying about an election is illegal.”

It also says “Trump made numerous false statements about the election to the media.”

Imagine the prosecutions that could have happened in 2000

quote:

It also says “Trump made numerous false statements about the election to the media.”
Which is t a crime. SCOTUS has already established lying is a form of free speech.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36071 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:28 pm to
Just finished reading the indictment and went and reread the statutes. Smith is way out on this one. He is basically saying that a politican cannot lie.

Next he is saying that you cannot have alternate electors on standby....guess the folks in Hawaii were in jail for that one in 1960.

Trump is allowed to be wrong. He's allowed to say he won. He's allowed to believe he was the victim of fraud. He's allowed to pursue his theory and he's allowed to have attorneys either facilitate him and give honest opinion...even if it is wrong or tell him he's full of shite. Does not matter none of this is illegal

Even Trump's actions during the riot do not rise anywhere to illegal. Indifferent, crass....even shitty. But not necessarily illegal

This is Jack Smith being a creative prosecutor.......

You do not want creative prosecutors.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103162 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:36 pm to
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This is Jack Smith being a creative prosecutor....... You do not want creative prosecutors.


Creative prosecutors tend to end up dancing from a ways off the ground.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16999 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:41 pm to
This indictment purports to criminalize the following behavior:

1- expressing beliefs and opinions;
2- petitioning the government for redress;
3- seeking and receiving legal advice;
4-asking the government to show its work;
5-thoughts and beliefs that the government finds unacceptable

This is terrifying beyond measure.

I’m still livid at Justice Roberta for abdicating the SCOTUS responsibility to determine suits btwn the states. This could have, and should have, been resolved by Texas v. Pennsylvania.

Look at what Roberts hath wrought.

The only upside - is that Jack Smith will be required to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt that Biden actually won the election and all those swing state votes and Ruby Freemans were real and true.

Otherwise - Roberts failing to adjudicate a matter the SCOTUS was duty bound to consider, and had no discretion to avoid, literally destroyed the republic and the Justice system itself. Congratulations on avoiding a bunch of people with rainbow colored hair having a temper tantrum, John. At least we didn’t have that.
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
38941 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:41 pm to
Trump is pretty much screwed if he doesn’t win in 2024. Every one of these indictments are complete bullshite but he isn’t getting out of this mess
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154879 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 8:43 pm to
You voted for Biden. Lol at you.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:10 pm to
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This is a political op, not a legal action.

i like defending the constitution against all enemies even slimely liars like trump. i took the oath. hes called to be reinstated extra constitutionlly.


call it what you will but the new york state AG and the new york county district attorney are both serious issues. more than feds

ag letitia james is after kicking him and his kids out of new york and $250 million.
the Manhattan one starts as stormy daniels but segued into 30 counts of false business reporting. the new york county district attorney was raised for this. dude might run for president some day. certainly senator.
if they get trump in the Manhattan stormy daniels case new york theres no pardon.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
85510 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 9:13 pm to
You never swore an oath you clown
Posted by griswold
Member since Oct 2009
4253 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:18 pm to
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This one actually says “lying about an election is illegal.”
Any dem that uttered the words "Russian collusion" should be indicted then.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65197 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:20 pm to
What about all the lying of the laptop from hell, that polls show, changed the election by about a 17 point swing, if voters were told about the truth on that laptop? That was lying to change an election, and 51 intelligence officers all backed it…
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:45 pm to
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The former president was charged with: conspiracy to defraud the United States; conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding; obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding; and conspiracy against rights.


jbird
active duty usaf
federal government too.

stick to shite you know.
now say something about the seditious conspirators.
do you approve such behavior?


Posted by AmishSamurai
Member since Feb 2020
3943 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:48 pm to
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conspiracy against rights


This right here is laughably stupid.

John Locke is spinning in his grave over how stupid the serfs have become after his brilliant treatise on natural law/rights which is the foundation of the Constitution ...

Which proves how laughably stupid Mike Pence sounded in his response to this indictment ...

fricking clown world.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
89471 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:49 pm to
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I remember Watergate, the GOP stood up to Nixon. Trump is exponentially worse than Nixon .




idiot
This post was edited on 8/1/23 at 11:35 pm
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29616 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:53 pm to
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The only upside - is that Jack Smith will be required to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt that Biden actually won the election and all those swing state votes and Ruby Freemans were real and true.


1. Smith will not be required to prove that.

2. As the indictment lays out, Trump had many lawyers and people on his behalf at the state level scrutinizing the results and looking for any irregularities/fraud and it wasn’t there in any state to make a difference.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
18161 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:57 pm to
Suck on another loss you moron.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57299 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 11:01 pm to
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Barkley MUST be Giuliani.


You must have forgotten who Giuliani is.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
17694 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 11:01 pm to
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Americans are about to learn a few civics lessons tothe detriment of the Marxists. Of course the MSM will preach the negatives hard but the counter will be found in our new methods of conversation.


Unfortunately, many Americans get their civics “education” from the MSM.
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