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re: The Abortion Debate Will Never Be Solved
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:03 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:03 pm to LSUFanHouston
I'm pro-life, but we logically justify killing other humans all the time (war, self-defense, convicted murderers, traitors, etc...)
In the case of rape or having the life of the mother at risk, I think most reasonable people would understand why a woman may want/choose to end the pregnancy. It's justifiable. Most don't agree with using abortion as a pardon/quick-fix for irresponsible consensual sex.
But even if you justify abortion for rape & mother's life, there still has to be limits on how long you can wait. 3rd trimester and post-birth abortion supporters sicken me.
In the case of rape or having the life of the mother at risk, I think most reasonable people would understand why a woman may want/choose to end the pregnancy. It's justifiable. Most don't agree with using abortion as a pardon/quick-fix for irresponsible consensual sex.
But even if you justify abortion for rape & mother's life, there still has to be limits on how long you can wait. 3rd trimester and post-birth abortion supporters sicken me.
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Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
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One side believes that it's all about the life of the unborn child.
One side believes that it's all about the rights of the mother. This side believes that the unborn fetus is an extension of the mother, not separate from it... an idea that is supported by science (up to a certain point in pregnancy, at least).
and the third side believes that abortion being legal/as an option does not affect me in any way, shape or form, and cannot affect me until/unless i impregnate a woman
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:16 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:it will certainly be solved and ended when the father of abortion is thrown into hell with all his children
Will Never Be Solved
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:27 pm to LSUFreek
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I'm pro-life, but we logically justify killing other humans all the time (war, self-defense, convicted murderers, traitors, etc...)
Reminds me of Camille Paglia: 'I'm pro choice. But don't insult my intelligence that abortion is not killing a person. Of course it is. But we kill people all the time.'
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:53 pm to RebelExpress38
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If you break a sea turtle or eagle egg you go to jail.
If you kill an unborn human you get a seat in the ring of honor on the left as an empowered woman or "women's healthcare provider"
That's the issue. The sea turtle or eagle egg is apart from the mother's body. Plus, a sea turtle or an eagle, has no legal rights.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:55 pm to xXLSUXx
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Overturning Roe vs Wade ensures Republicans give the Dems a larger voter base in 18 years.
This reminds me of the Freakonomics episode regarding abortion leading to lower crime rates in later years.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:56 pm to AggieHank86
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we HAVE a definition for that purpose ... birth. Abortion opponents just want to change it.
That's not really true, though. If it was, murders would not be charged with killing a fetus (as they are now, if a pregnant woman is killed).
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:58 pm to Zach
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2. The Roe debate...should the court decision be overturned and throw abortion back to each state. That's easy to solve.
Admittedly I need to research this more... why Roe vs Wade allowed it to be a federal decision, and why it should be a state decision. I didn't think states could pass laws that overrode federal rights.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:02 pm to LSUFanHouston
I don't see any justification for abortion. You're literally REMOVING the gift of life from an innocent, helpless child. I think you're a sick person to support something like that. I am not really a religious person either.
How mass infanticide still takes place in a first world country such as ours is sickening.
Bottom line - it's not a women's right issue... it's a right to life issue. Being brutally honest.. you're a piece of shite if you support abortion.
How mass infanticide still takes place in a first world country such as ours is sickening.
Bottom line - it's not a women's right issue... it's a right to life issue. Being brutally honest.. you're a piece of shite if you support abortion.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:09 pm to LSUFanHouston
not anytime soon, it might take 50 more years we'll get there.
the issue now, with people like me, is that a clump of cells is not a human being, its not a viable life. if it were, Id be against abortion, it would be abhorrent. for fricks sake, I dont want to hurt a baby, dont be dumb, why on earth would I?
so its about "fetal viability", lots of states (most?) ban abortion after that, which seems reasonable to me.
generally that means about 24 weeks (I think), but thats for now, that number will only go down, in 20 years it might be half that, who knows, but at some point it wont be a number at all. like most everything else, abortion is gonna be settled by science, it'll be made obsolete.
the issue now, with people like me, is that a clump of cells is not a human being, its not a viable life. if it were, Id be against abortion, it would be abhorrent. for fricks sake, I dont want to hurt a baby, dont be dumb, why on earth would I?
so its about "fetal viability", lots of states (most?) ban abortion after that, which seems reasonable to me.
generally that means about 24 weeks (I think), but thats for now, that number will only go down, in 20 years it might be half that, who knows, but at some point it wont be a number at all. like most everything else, abortion is gonna be settled by science, it'll be made obsolete.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:10 pm to LSUFanHouston
Read up on Evictionism by Walter Block. I think the male birth control pill will be a game changer.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Admittedly I need to research this more... why Roe vs Wade allowed it to be a federal decision, and why it should be a state decision. I didn't think states could pass laws that overrode federal rights.
Abortion was a state argument before Roe. SCOTUS grabbed control from the states by claiming that abortion was a federal right because of privacy issues that they conflated in the Constitution. So they came up with the non scientific or medical crap of “trimesters”!
If Roe is overturned it becomes an issue for the states again.
The precedent for one SCOTUS to overrule another is Brown overturning Plessy on the constitutionality of “separate but equal”.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
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One side believes that it's all about the life of the unborn child.
One side believes that it's all about the rights of the mother. This side believes that the unborn fetus is an extension of the mother, not separate from it... an idea that is supported by science (up to a certain point in pregnancy, at least).
One side believes somethings are more important than ones self.
The other doesn’t give a shite about anyone but themselves. Self above all.
If you disagree, please explain to me where I’m wrong in the context of abortion.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:12 pm to Blaeke
A lot of folks opposed abolition for the same reason people opposed immigration.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:15 pm to LSUFanHouston
I disagree.
It will SOLVE ITSELF
Technology will solve it
Ultrasounds shows the babies at like 20 weeks now. THe baby is moving
The youth are keenly aware that it is a baby in there by the 15-20th week.
The vast majority of the youth may say that they support the right to abortion, but would never do it themselves.
The presence of Plan B makes less and less abortions being performed every year.
Roe vs. Wade will be a useless rule some day.
It will SOLVE ITSELF
Technology will solve it
Ultrasounds shows the babies at like 20 weeks now. THe baby is moving
The youth are keenly aware that it is a baby in there by the 15-20th week.
The vast majority of the youth may say that they support the right to abortion, but would never do it themselves.
The presence of Plan B makes less and less abortions being performed every year.
Roe vs. Wade will be a useless rule some day.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:17 pm to cgrand
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that abortion being legal/as an option does not affect me in any way, shape or form,
That’s your litmus test? Hell, if you’re white slavery wouldn’t have impacted you in any way, shape or form.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:22 pm to TigerCruise
quote:What?
If we found a couple cells on Mars we'd call it life wouldn't we?
no, no we wouldn't, what are you talking about?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:36 pm to claremontrich
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ThUltrasounds shows the babies at like 20 weeks now. The baby is moving. The youth are keenly aware that it is a baby in there by the 15-20th week.
I have no idea why anti-choice people love telling the world that fully grown children are being hacked to pieces every day, but its insane.
you said 15-20 weeks, you said the "youth" should know by then.
they do.
91 percent of abortions are done by 13 weeks. only 1.3 percent happen after 21 weeks. this "live birth abortion" nonsense is insane, that's not whats happening, people arent monsters, mothers damn sure arent.
CDC...
"...the majority (64.9%) of abortions were performed at =8 weeks’ gestation, and nearly all (91.0%) were performed at =13 weeks’ gestation. Few abortions were performed between 14 and 20 weeks’ gestation (7.7%) or at =21 weeks’ gestation (1.3%)."
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:37 pm to Tiger985
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Anything not in the Constitution is left up to the states.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:39 pm to LSU2019
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If we found a couple cells on Mars we'd call it life wouldn't we?
quote:
What?
no, no we wouldn't, what are you talking about?
yes, yes we would, what are you talking about?
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