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Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:20 am to 4cubbies
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provide accommodations for students with disabilities so they can learn in a regular classroom.
I am not really familiar with this. Are the students physically disabled or mentally? Physically disabled should be covered under the ADA.
If mentally disabled, why would we want them in the class room with students without such an issue? It seems that would require the teacher to spend far more time with the disabled child than focusing on teaching to the rest of the class.
I am not saying that the disabled child doesnt deserve educating but where is the logic in combining them? We dont put the students who strugle with remedial math in with the AP honors students.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:21 am to 4cubbies
Can you think why a state would want to do away with section 504?
And don’t strawmen it. Legitimately think about the positives of eliminating 504. Let me know what you come up with (you won’t come up with anything that’s accurate because you’re a fundamentally dishonest person).
And don’t strawmen it. Legitimately think about the positives of eliminating 504. Let me know what you come up with (you won’t come up with anything that’s accurate because you’re a fundamentally dishonest person).
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:23 am to SlayTime
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My kid literally watched two female helpers hold one of these kids down while teacher ran to grab SRO.
This is happening multiple times per week in most schools across the nation.
If the ED was forced to report on assaults on staff by children/students, we would all be mind blown.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:24 am to 4cubbies
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You think a kid who needs 10 extra minutes to take a test
Always with the strawmen. It’s why people don’t take you seriously.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:29 am to 4cubbies
quote:It's HIPAA. How is the school a covered entity as defined by HIPAA? Why not FERPA?
There’s no way for you to know because oF HIPPA.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:29 am to 4cubbies
504 and IDEA are very similar but service vastly different students. To act like they are the same is not honest to what is being looked at.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:38 am to alphaandomega
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am not really familiar with this. Are the students physically disabled or mentally?
Could be either or both.
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If mentally disabled, why would we want them in the class room with students without such an issue?
Your position is that a child with test anxiety who gets extra time to take a test should be in a self-contained classroom with kids who have severe cognitive disabilities? Can you explain why you think that’s the best approach?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:45 am to 4cubbies
Meanwhile it wants to push vouchers - excuse me, "education savings accounts" - where schools don't have to take a student for any reason (e.g., not meeting grade, not a "Christian" as the school defines it, and the catch-all "disciplinary risk" designed to allow Johnny to enroll but not Miguel or Devonte).
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:46 am to 4cubbies
Tell me you don’t know WTF you are talking about instead of this nonsense you typed. I have a great knowledge of special needs children in classrooms and their teachers. First of all while saying special needs students is inclusive of all below average kids it doesn’t entirely define them. While some may struggle with learning disabilities such as dyslexia there is 10’s of different kinds of learning disabilities as well. There are classes that have kids that education can help with having them focus, some with repetitive activities and others with actual expectations because of early learning difficulties such as no basic skills as easy as counting to 10 or colors due to absence of parents caring. Then there is students who are sent to school that have zero abilities to learn at all and the schools are nothing more than daycare. most of the parents of these kids spend no time in rearing them as they will send them to school without food, change of clothes ( because they soil them daily) or a freshly washed face & hair. The resources available are paid minimum wage and take the abuse from kids and parents alike while being videotaped and threatened with lawsuits & jail if they respond inappropriately. This is because of the DOE and don’t even get me started on the education itself.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:51 am to alphaandomega
There are often two teachers in these situations. The model is called co-teaching. It's effectiveness varies depending on how well the teachers work together.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:51 am to 4cubbies
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If you think states are suing to get rid of accommodations so they can continue to provide accommodations
you're missing the point. They are suing to get the Fed Govt out of Education Accommodations. They arent suing to end all accommodations.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:54 am to 4cubbies
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504 plans provide accommodations for students with disabilities so they can learn in a regular classroom..
Good. They can’t.
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Common accommodations are small group instruction and testing, and extended time for test taking
Abused like nobody’s fricking business.
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This would do wonders for our standardized test scores. The race to the bottom continues.
It actually would. Get the speds out and into their own classroom. Get the behavioral issue students out and in their own classroom.
Let the students there to learn actually learn and the teachers actually teach rather than babysit the lowest performers and disrupters.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:56 am to the808bass
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Can you think why a state would want to do away with section 504?
Money. There’s a teacher shortage so there are fewer teachers available to provide small group testing, for example. Instead of states having to pay more to attract more teachers, they can just stop providing these accommodations.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:04 am to dcbl
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they do have that; but ONE of their biggest needs is socialization (ie, learning to cope with peers in a group environment)
has our Uber dependence on vaccines and medication exacerbated this issue?
Maybe, maybe even probably; but shoving these kids in a “special room “ all day would do more harm than good - they need to learn how to interact with others
Schools have "special rooms" or classes for the gifted.
Some schools are for the gifted, Ben Franklin in New Orleans
But why not have "special rooms" for special needs? They can learn to interact in other places outside of regular class room. Play grounds, scouts come to mind.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:05 am to 4cubbies
Thanks. This is exactly what I predicted. A non-serious response.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:11 am to 4cubbies
Sorry we sent all our money to Zimbabwe for trans surgery for monkeys.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:14 am to toratiger
quote:they do have special rooms
But why not have "special rooms" for special needs? They can learn to interact in other places outside of regular class room. Play grounds, scouts come to mind.
my point is, it should not be all day - SOME of these kids need to be in regular rooms for fundamental studies (some just need to be straight up separated)
Most of these kids also have an aide - some have a full time aide and some have access to an aide that managed numerous kids with varying levels of need
Again; part of what Trump has promised is that programs that fill an actual need or good purpose will be kept and/or rewritten
This is something that needs to be looked at and kept in some capacity
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:16 am to 4cubbies
So everyone must wait till Billy is done screaming and jamming crayons up his arse?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:27 am to toratiger
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If they can keep up with a regular class fine. But if you must slow the other students down for them, you are hurting 20 or 30 for 1
Equity, brah. Equity. Stop being mean, and think of their equitable needs.
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