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re: Texas v. Becerra: 17 states incl LA want to abolish Section 504
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:41 am to LSUGrrrl
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:41 am to LSUGrrrl
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Mainstreaming special needs into the classrooms is a failed experiment. Any good it serves for the special needs students comes at the expense of the rest of the class.
I agree to an extent, but I’m not comfortable lumping all kids with 504s in with kids with profound disabilities. I don’t think kids who need extra time to take tests or need small group testing should be in a self-contained classroom with kids with profound disabilities.
The behavior problems as disabilities is what really needs to be examined.
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:42 am to 4cubbies
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Please link the posts of mine that led you to believe I support any of those things? You people are so delusional. The gaslighting is so confusing. What’s the endgame?
Ok here's your moment to put it down on paper. Are you pro-life, and against sexually transitioning of minors?
And no "well in these situations, etc etc" disclaimers.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:45 am to 4cubbies
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I agree to an extent, but I’m not comfortable lumping all kids with 504s in with kids with profound disabilities. I don’t think kids who need extra time to take tests or need small group testing should be in a self-contained classroom with kids with profound disabilities.
The behavior problems as disabilities is what really needs to be examined.
Completely agree.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:46 am to 4cubbies
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Thy are suing to remove the law that states they have to provide accommodations. True or false?
Federal law that states
I can type it again for you, but I can’t help you understand it if you don’t get the difference.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:52 am to toratiger
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If they can keep up with a regular class fine. But if you must slow the other students down for them, you are hurting 20 or 30 for
Equity
Posted on 2/15/25 at 1:03 pm to 4cubbies
Pretending this is only about money (as you’re doing) is retarded.
Money is a component.
It’s far from the only component. And it’s not even the most important reason for the action they’re taking.
When you can try to honestly evaluate the actions taken of your political opponents, you will be taken far more seriously. If you want to post bumper stickers and pretend like you’re thinking about the issue seriously, keep doing exactly what you’re doing.
Money is a component.
It’s far from the only component. And it’s not even the most important reason for the action they’re taking.
When you can try to honestly evaluate the actions taken of your political opponents, you will be taken far more seriously. If you want to post bumper stickers and pretend like you’re thinking about the issue seriously, keep doing exactly what you’re doing.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 1:47 pm to 4cubbies
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. Becerra
High in the running Scummiest Liberal in the South. Keep in mind that CONGRESSWOMAN! Sheila Jackson Lee and Beta.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:17 pm to 4cubbies
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If a child with a 504 qualified for an IEP, they would have an IEP instead of a 504.
Nope. 504 plans don't even have to be written down.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:24 pm to imjustafatkid
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504 plans don't even have to be written down.
A teacher may provide accommodations without documentation but 504 plans must be documented.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:26 pm to the808bass
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When you can try to honestly evaluate the actions taken of your political opponents, you will be taken far more seriously. If you want to post bumper stickers and pretend like you’re thinking about the issue seriously, keep doing exactly what you’re doing.
Major projection here. You’re not making any argument other than “You’re wrong because you’re wrong. You should listen to my argument that you are incorrect so you can understand why you are wrong.”
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:27 pm to 4cubbies
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A teacher may provide accommodations without documentation but 504 plans must be documented.
Nope. You have no idea what you're talking about but you're still in here crying.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:30 pm to udtiger
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504 and mainstreaming have been a disaster
I would argue that more than half of 504 diagnoses are not legitimate. In my 30 years of experience, all that accommodations teach those students is learned helplessness.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:35 pm to imjustafatkid
In order to be compliant with federal law, 504 plans must be documented. You are free to skirt whatever laws you want in your own practice.
How else would a student prove he warrants accommodative? How would anyone know what to provide or for whom to provide accommodations?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:37 pm to 4cubbies
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In order to be compliant with federal law, 504 plans must be documented.
You. Are. Wrong.
It's that simple.
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How else would a student prove he warrants accommodative? How would anyone know what to provide or for whom to provide accommodations?
By having an IEP plan, because there is no requirement for a 504 plan to be documented.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:56 pm to imjustafatkid
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By having an IEP plan, because there is no requirement for a 504 plan to be documented.
So you’re saying every kid with an IEP also has a 504? Why the heck would someone need a 504 is he/she already has an IEP? You are the one who is not making any sense, dear;
LINK
This post was edited on 2/15/25 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:58 pm to 4cubbies
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Why the heck would someone need a 504 is he/she already has an IEP? You are the one who is not making any sense, dear;
No, it's 504 plans that don't make any sense. It's not my fault you don't know what you're talking about. A simple web search would tell you I'm right.
If they're writing it down and setting goals, they are already doing what is required for an IEP plan. Calling it a 504 plan at that point is stupid and unnecessary.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:58 pm to imjustafatkid
Learn something. LINK
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:59 pm to imjustafatkid
A 504 is not an IEP. Children who don’t qualify for an IEP get 504s.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 5:01 pm to 4cubbies
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A 504 is not an IEP. Children who don’t qualify for an IEP get 504s.
This is correct, but also completely misses the point. 504 plans do not have to be written down and do not guarantee anything and are completely unnecessary and useless.
Once you've set goals and written it down, there is no difference between a 504 plan and an IEP.
ETA: I'm not downloading your blind pdf you hack. If it says a 504 plan must be written down, that is a STATE or LOCAL rule. It is not required by federal law. You do not know what you are talking about.
This post was edited on 2/15/25 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 2/15/25 at 5:03 pm to toratiger
Disabilities is very broad. I hate that they added trans to 504 accomodations.
I have a daughter with a brain injury. She couldn't talk until she was 5. When she was little she needed more services (speech therapy and special reading program).
Her accomodations were things like extra time taking tests and note takers.
There were other times I made teachers change things up (like when she was put in a group with exchange students who could barely speak English and had strong accents for a project).
Private school was much better than public school. Privates were much more flexible.
College was the best. She sailed through college. Having long breaks. Picking class times.
She graduated with the highest GPS in statistics and then got a master's in data analytics. Her professors wanted her to get her PHd. She did better than me in college.
Unfortunately, the work world hasn't been good for her. Managers not giving her accomodations and even asking her to do things like take notes.
She's unemployed right now and not sure how she is going to get another job. It's a shame because she is brighter than most, but just different.
I like giving people flexibility to find their strengths. Not everybody is the same.
Right now shes
I have a daughter with a brain injury. She couldn't talk until she was 5. When she was little she needed more services (speech therapy and special reading program).
Her accomodations were things like extra time taking tests and note takers.
There were other times I made teachers change things up (like when she was put in a group with exchange students who could barely speak English and had strong accents for a project).
Private school was much better than public school. Privates were much more flexible.
College was the best. She sailed through college. Having long breaks. Picking class times.
She graduated with the highest GPS in statistics and then got a master's in data analytics. Her professors wanted her to get her PHd. She did better than me in college.
Unfortunately, the work world hasn't been good for her. Managers not giving her accomodations and even asking her to do things like take notes.
She's unemployed right now and not sure how she is going to get another job. It's a shame because she is brighter than most, but just different.
I like giving people flexibility to find their strengths. Not everybody is the same.
Right now shes
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