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re: Teacher Pay Raises
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:52 am to cahoots
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:52 am to cahoots
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If someone is well educated in those subjects, they aren't teaching high schools kids for $40K!
Happens all the time.
As per Zip-recruiter:
As of Oct 21, 2019, the average annual pay for a Catholic School Teacher in the United States is $38,495 a year.
While ZipRecruiter is seeing annual salaries as high as $69,000 and as low as $14,000, the majority of Catholic School Teacher salaries currently range between $26,000 (25th percentile) to $44,500 (75th percentile) across the United States. The average pay range for a Catholic School Teacher varies modestly (up to $18,500), which suggests there may be fewer opportunities for advancement based on skill level, but increased pay based on location and years of experience is still possible.
Based on recent job postings on ZipRecruiter, the Catholic School Teacher job market in both Metairie, LA and the surrounding area is very active. People working as a Catholic School Teacher in your area are making on average $34,617 per year or $3,878 (10%) less than the national average annual salary of $38,495. Louisiana ranks number 32 out of 50 states nationwide for Catholic School Teacher.
Same area pay in failing to passing public schools as per salarylist.com:
Jefferson Parish Public School System Teacher average salary is $48,149, median salary is $48,149 with a salary range from $42,749 to $53,549.
Jefferson Parish Public School System Teacher salaries are collected from government agencies and companies. Each salary is associated with a real job position. Jefferson Parish Public School System Teacher salary statistics is not exclusive and is for reference only. They are presented "as is" and updated regularly.
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:53 am to SlidellCajun
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:53 am to cahoots
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So you want to go on record and say that it is harder to see progress in test scores when kids have good, supportive parents?
Yes it is.
And I’ve taught both!
Edit: If the parents have the kids running at 90% of their potential, and my teaching skills can only bump them up 10% maximum.
If neglectful parents have the kids at 60%, and I can boost them 40%.
Now base merit pay on 50% actual boost. Good parent kids go up 5% and bad parent kids go up 20%. Better pay potential in poor schools!
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 10:08 am
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:54 am to SlidellCajun
Create STEM positions that are infinitely more lucrative to draw people away from their fields to go into the classroom
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:55 am to SlidellCajun
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Not everyone deserves the same raise and some don’t even deserve to get paid.
Sure, this sounds ideal, but you guys have all been around athletics enough to know how this will play out. School districts will figure out how to rig the system so that they can bump that salary up to attract head coaches and assistants, especially football. Even though they may do a shitty job in the classroom, they'll get that raise. In the meantime, if you're the superstar teacher who is a thorn in the side of the incompetent administration, you're shite out of luck.
School systems continue to prove over and over and over and over and over again that they can't be trusted.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:56 am to SlidellCajun
That is good in theory but how would you do merit based raises? Every classroom is different. Is it measured on growth? On test scores? What happens if my class is low and the neighbor next door has higher level kids? I get money taken out of my pocket?
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:57 am to cahoots
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Well I am not against merit increases. But I am against merit increases tied to test scores.
Fantastic.
How do you measure merit?
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:58 am to cahoots
In Florida, they based it on a mix of test score improvement and in-class evals.
They also had a program that teachers who scored high back in college and were in the top certain % each year for teachers through out the state got a $5k bonus as long as they were still teaching the next year. It was pretty genius to try and keep good teachers in the state.
They also had a program that teachers who scored high back in college and were in the top certain % each year for teachers through out the state got a $5k bonus as long as they were still teaching the next year. It was pretty genius to try and keep good teachers in the state.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:59 am to WeeWee
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GIve pay raises based on merit.
See above. Schools systems will figure out a way to give the raise to the football coach who blows off his classes to leave campus, or just sits on his arse looking at game video when he's supposed to be teaching class. The outstanding teacher with excellent test scores who's a thorn in the side of the administration and calls out the director of schools ends up getting the pink slip.
There's the ideal, then there's real life. You guys have been around long enough to know how this works.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:00 am to Gaspergou202
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This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:02 am to BallsEleven
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In Florida, they based it on a mix of test score improvement and in-class evals.
In Tennessee your evaluation score is sometimes based partly on the performance of kids you don't even have. Figure that one out.
In addition, you have to choose one component that factors into your score...maybe the grad rate or ACT composite...before hand, rather than being able to take the best one. In other words, it's like they make you go into the casino, go over to the roulette table, and put your money either on red or black.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:03 am to Gaspergou202
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This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:05 am to Gaspergou202
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How do you measure merit?
The same way it's done in private business. Bosses know who is valuable and who deserves a raise. It's not rocket science.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:15 am to cahoots
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It has to be subjectively evaluated. There is no other way. People are subjectively evaluated at most jobs.
Bullshite!
You are not offering any real world solutions, only sounds good platitudes.
People are evaluated by how much money they make for the business compared to how much they cost. Any evaluation that strays far from that goal results in disaster.
Subjective evaluations lead to bankruptcy in the private sector and bloated bureaucracy in the public sector.
Guess what sector school teachers work under!
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:17 am to Gaspergou202
Don’t school systems have a large staff on their payroll to evaluate teachers?
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:19 am to trinidadtiger
Most merit pay systems are based on student improvement from the previous year, so teachers in low performing districts would get the same opportunity towards merit.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:20 am to cahoots
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Well I am not against merit increases. But I am against merit increases tied to test scores.
I agree that basing it solely on test scores is unfair. There are other factors but test scores have to weigh in.
Without a merit based system, the system tends to reward the best teachers by placing them in honors and the bad ones languish in the lower level classes. This just perpetuates the problem.
There are some teachers deserving of the honors classes but obviously they’re limited. So why not reward them with more money?
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:20 am to cahoots
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Well, what is the right's solution?
Differential pay.
You pay what it takes to get the specific talent you need.
quote:That's because as it stands now, the ONLY way to do so is across the board raises which is asinine.
I've never seen a push to significantly increase pay of any teacher by the right
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:23 am to Gaspergou202
quote:Your first problem is the absurd idea of "measuring".
Fantastic.
How do you measure merit?
That's because bureaucracies abhor decentralized decisions.
You measure merit the same way tons of companies do. IE, the principal sees a teacher who is talented, and, recognizes their MERIT
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:26 am to teke184
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Exactly how many teacher votes is this going to cost him anyway? They all vote Dem.
Are you really this clueless?
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