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re: Taxes should not be enacted by one person
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:44 am to Seldom Seen
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:44 am to Seldom Seen
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Tariffs aren't the only thing he ran on. Some of us voted for Trump in spite of his tariffs not because of them.
So he should only do some things he promised?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:03 am to Seldom Seen
“Americans know tariffs are a tax they are going to have to pay”
Well this just isn’t correct. Tariffs can indirectly influence costs and pricing, but to say it’s a tax levied on the people is just false. And what ever Congress has agreed to as far as tax revenues has put us in a huge deficit position.
There are countless examples of executive orders that influence costs (sell off of strategic oil reserves is an easy one), or other actions taken ( or not taken/objected to by Congress) that have clearly had adverse effects on the bottom line for Americans. Many of which are still ongoing. Can we go through all the items currently in effect by law or executive orders that have increased costs for Americans?
I just don’t think the founding fathers would be too happy with how Congress has operated for the past 20-30 years. This is a lame take by Paul, and it’s why he isn’t leadership material.
Well this just isn’t correct. Tariffs can indirectly influence costs and pricing, but to say it’s a tax levied on the people is just false. And what ever Congress has agreed to as far as tax revenues has put us in a huge deficit position.
There are countless examples of executive orders that influence costs (sell off of strategic oil reserves is an easy one), or other actions taken ( or not taken/objected to by Congress) that have clearly had adverse effects on the bottom line for Americans. Many of which are still ongoing. Can we go through all the items currently in effect by law or executive orders that have increased costs for Americans?
I just don’t think the founding fathers would be too happy with how Congress has operated for the past 20-30 years. This is a lame take by Paul, and it’s why he isn’t leadership material.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:09 am to SallysHuman
Yes, whether you agree with him on all issues or not, he is a principled man and is consistent.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:10 am to LSUSkip
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I get his stance, i just don't agree with it. It's a foreign policy and economic issue, not a tax.
Tariffs are a power granted to Congress by Article 1.
Congress has delegated much of its tariff power to POTUS through a variety of legislation dating back decades.
I believe Congress has delegated far too much power to POTUS in a lot of different areas...but once that power is delegated the only way to take it back is through additional legislation, which the President can veto.
So, I agree with Paul in principle, but unless they can accumulate enough support to over ride a veto there is no turning back.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:11 am to Seldom Seen
Rand paul is gigantic beta male fraud
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:12 am to Seldom Seen
Rand Paul is actually useless in politics. He does nothing. Puts out a tweet here and there. He hasn't created any sort of movement.
And I like Rand. But he's essentially an empty suit like many.
And I like Rand. But he's essentially an empty suit like many.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 10:59 am
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:20 am to Seldom Seen
How long you been in DC Rand?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:22 am to Seldom Seen
We did vote Rand!! We overwhelmingly voted for Trump. He made very clear what his ideas and plans were to make America great again. He talked about it endlessly. POTUS is the only elected position voted on by all Americans, and Trump won, the popular and electoral vote.
Trump is simply enacting the will of the people, so dont "stand", sit back down and stfu!
Also, whatever you and your DC fricktards have been doing isn't working, so neither you nor any other DC fricktard are qualified to make a judgment.
Again, stand down and stfu.
Trump is simply enacting the will of the people, so dont "stand", sit back down and stfu!
Also, whatever you and your DC fricktards have been doing isn't working, so neither you nor any other DC fricktard are qualified to make a judgment.
Again, stand down and stfu.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 8:25 am
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:29 am to Seldom Seen
Rand....This is what people voted for. This isn't one person. This is millions of Americans.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:30 am to Tigergreg
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I like Rand Paul, but I think he is wrong about the tariffs.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:56 am to 50_Tiger
It wasn't one man. It was almost 80 million voters. Rand Paul is a lunatic.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 12:25 pm to LSUSkip
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I get his stance, i just don't agree with it. It's a foreign policy and economic issue, not a tax
Bingo. Rand wants to usurp the president's authority to conduct diplomacy. That's not very principled.
If Rand thinks tariffs are a tax, why is he not bitching about fees and regulations? Making me pay for my driver's license is a tax. Making a company pay for inspections is a tax. Required insurance is a tax. My friend has to keep millions in escrow by law to cover his business. Why isn't Rand bitching about that?
Everything that increases the cost of business is a tax if you want to pretend that tariffs are. It's dishonest or ignorant to label one unnecessary expense a tax but not others.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 12:30 pm to Seldom Seen
It's also pretty retarded for Rand to say he is standing against the rejection of our founding principles. He doesn't realize we were founded on tariffs, not income tax. I think the chemicals from the perms have seeped into his brain.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 12:31 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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It's also pretty retarded for Rand to say he is standing against the rejection of our founding principles.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 12:32 pm to Goforit
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It wasn't one man. It was almost 80 million voters.
"our democracy"
Posted on 4/3/25 at 12:35 pm to Seldom Seen
What the F has happened to Rand? It is like in the last month he has lost his mind.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:00 pm to omegaman66
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What the F has happened to Rand? It is like in the last month he has lost his mind.
I like Trump. I like Rand.
Trump has done a lot of non-Libertarian things in the last month. I don’t think they’re all bad (or all good). Libertarians will absolutely cut off their nose to spite their face.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:04 pm to Seldom Seen
Seems like 70-80 million people decided tariffs were a good option last November chief .
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:06 pm to Seldom Seen
He mislead by calling them reciprocal. Going through Congress would have prevented that. His dishonesty is a problem
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:18 pm to 2024GoTigas
70-80 million people don't give a shite about tariffs. What they care about are prices and the ability to make a living. Tariffs will increase costs of good as those tariffs are passed on to consumers. Not exactly what they voted for.
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