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re: Tariffs not bringing in what trump said they would….
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:59 am to Powerman
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:59 am to Powerman
quote:You realize the tariffs are supposed to be temporary, right? They're just a negotiating tactic.
applying tariffs to their imports hurts us more than it helps us
I noticed you haven't provided a list of products that we won't be able to manufacture vs what the rest of the world won't be able to manufacture
It's also humorous that you think these tariffs are "upsetting the world order." That is absolutely laughable. Have you looked around lately? The world order is in the sewer. There's more chaos and unrest than there's been since WW2. Get this - it's possible that Trump might be building a NEW world order starting with these trade negotiations.
Another factor that you haven't addressed is the fact that these ridiculous trade imbalances are absolutely gutting the US despite the fact that we have basically been funding what little world security there is, including with our military. This is part of the reason why intuitive people are saying the situation is unsustainable. We can't keep pouring a planet's worth of economy into things like military and extending all over the globe while the rest of the world keeps benefitting from it with basically no investment of their own. Trump has been clear about this too
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Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:00 am to Powerman
quote:
It seems like most people who support that tariffs acknowledge it's a tax on the American people It's the first time I've seen these people so excited about such a thing though
It seems that most people that don’t support tariffs support every other form of taxation. Including the tariffs that were in place before 2025.
It’s almost as if it has nothing to do with Tariffs.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:45 am to northshorebamaman
quote:
Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding. I don't want to misconstrue you or inadvertently strawman you. I'm genuinely trying to understand the handful of common arguments in support of the trade war and how it's possible to fit them together.
The problem is that they don’t “fit together” in any meaningful, logical way. In fact, all of the arguments that the pro-tariff people make contradict themselves. So far they have offered the following as legitimate reasons for tariffs:
1) Tariffs are temporary and a negotiating tool to eliminate tariffs on our exports.
2) bring manufacturing back
3) to eliminate the trade deficit
4) to raise more revenue to eliminate the income tax
5) and my personal favorite, crash the economy so that we can “refinance” our debt.
Short-term tariffs as a negotiating tool, will not accomplish 2,3, and 4. Items 2,3, and 4 won’t accomplish item 1.
Item 5 was a laughable rational made up by dumb asses who do not understand how our debt is financed, but they used it to make themselves sound smart and savvy, and you haven’t heard much about this since it was first floated.
So, offerring contradictory reasons for tariffs allows them to be “right” regardless of the outcome.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:56 am to Powerman
quote:Wow. You can read the mind of every person on the planet? I would say that most of Trump's voters agree with the approach and he got more votes than any pres ever so, that's a sizeable group of people
That's the thing...only you and MAGA parrots view it as stupidly unfair
You laughed that I stated the tariffs are currently working but I substantiated what I said. What part do you disagree with?
quote:What is it with Indonesia itt? They aren't the biggest player in the world and again, THE TARIFFS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TEMPORARY. They are meant to help negotiate BETTER deals for the US. How is that bad?
Picking on developing countries like Indonesia simply because we run a trade deficit with them is absurd
quote:Apparently, you are wrong on this. Very wrong
It doesn't mean they're "ripping us off"
quote:It's not a "tax." It's a temporary negotiating tactic that is designed to ultimately benefit not only America but anyone who trades with us
We have people arguing to the death that increased taxes on Americans
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:00 am to Indefatigable
quote:Was Japan capable of making changes to their economy to adjust to trade with the US? Did they US help them reshape their landscape?
This doesn't even make sense
quote:Says who?
Japan, and to a lesser extent South Korea, are exceptions. None of the OSEAN nations are capable of what those two nations accomplished in the 20th century.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:02 am to Penrod
quote:
We haven’t come close to reaching steady state,
Aha! Steady State is the opposite of CHAOS! The MSM says Trump's chaos is ruining the economy. The steady state will never come until 2026 when the Dems take over Congress and impeach Trump to stop the chaos. And why does Trump want the chaos? It's to cover his real goal....to enrich his billionaire buddies. It's the headline story on Yahoo News every morning for a month.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:03 am to Indefatigable
quote:"attacking"
It all circles back to this bizarre approach of attacking nations
That's about the 5th different strawman you people have used
quote:But that doesn't mean we can't negotiate even better deals and again, this isn't ONLY about the products. There are other issues that are being addressed
That being said, we'll always have a trade deficit with China too. We're rich. Rich people buy more things
quote:Given the news from China, that would be a big, big loser move
Instead we're just forcing them to take Beijing's investments
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:04 am to Indefatigable
quote:Still not a tax. They're a temporary negotiating tactic with another country because our current situation is unsustainable
There are people here, dare I say the majority, who will vehemently deny the fact that tariffs are anything other than a sales tax
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:21 am to Warboo
quote:
Imagine that.
you almost got a downvote just based on the title - luckily My eyes scanned down to your last two words -
so - GOOD JOB -
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:22 am to Powerman
quote:You people keep using this argument in a vacuum. Our current situation needs to be rectified, about 20 years ago. We've been living on borrowed time. We know the country benefits from tariffs. Even the Biden admin agreed.
And that costs is absorbed by the consumer
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:25 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
Says who?
Reality.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:26 am to Indefatigable
quote:Says you
Its just bad policy when applied in the manner its being applied
quote:Again, you are apparently very wrong on this and the arguments being made are myopic
This whole nonsense about trade deficits is moronic
quote:
Trade deficits with these countries is a sign of strength, not weakness
We're getting ripped off by these people and BTW, the american middle class is disappearing while the people who allowed this to happen are bathing in champagne all the while you're defending them. It's astonishing really quote:Not in all cases and that doesn't mean we can't negotiate BETTER deals
We still need their cheap shite
quote:I asked for a list of products that we can't make vs what the rest of the world can't make. Let's compare apples to apples instead of these stupid skyscreaming comments
we are never, ever going to make that stuff here
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:26 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
Still not a tax. They're a temporary negotiating tactic with another country because our current situation is unsustainable
It is literally a tax, and their being temporary doesn’t change that at all.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:27 am to Ten Bears
quote:
The problem is that they don’t “fit together” in any meaningful, logical way. In fact, all of the arguments that the pro-tariff people make contradict themselves.
ok - anxiously read on to find your "meaningful, logical" basis for that critique.
found nothing but your 'opinion' --- and that is worth a cup full of warm spit.
pfffft
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:28 am to Warboo
quote:
Tariffs not bringing in what trump said they would….
Your summation in the body of the topic is on point. It must also be pointed out, however, that the majority of those tariffs are temporarily paused and not currently in effect, and we're still seeing our trade deficit narrow down greatly.
Media is incapable of smelling their own shite they've smeared upon themselves.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:29 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
I asked for a list of products that we can't make vs what the rest of the world can't make.
No one said can’t. I said won’t.
We are never, ever, going back to producing cheap trinkets and mass produced cheap clothing, etc. in this country. Why would we even want to, when it’s cheaper to buy them from Asia?
We will always buy more than we sell.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:29 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
You realize the tariffs are supposed to be temporary, right? They're just a negotiating tactic.
Then they can't achieve their stated objectives
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:31 am to Warboo
Hard to Fix something in three months that had been destroyed over a four year period by the incompetent Biden administration
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:33 am to northshorebamaman
quote:Yes!! Another strawman. Let's keep them rolling everybody. I think we can hit the record. I'll contact Guiness BOWR
achieve parity
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:44 am to MajorityWhip
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You almost got a downvote. Glad I read the entire post :)
Same here but upvoted!
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