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re: Tariffs not bringing in what trump said they would….
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:26 am to Indefatigable
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:26 am to Indefatigable
It seems like most people who support that tariffs acknowledge it's a tax on the American people
It's the first time I've seen these people so excited about such a thing though
It's the first time I've seen these people so excited about such a thing though
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Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:36 am to Powerman
quote:I don't understand how this very basic concept is so hard to understand.
As we currently run a trade deficit with them applying tariffs to their imports hurts us more than it helps us.
Probably because of all the intentional obfuscation of how tariffs work the past few years.
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 12:38 am
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:39 am to Indefatigable
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There are people here, dare I say the majority, who will vehemently deny the fact that tariffs are anything other than a sales tax.
Someone somewhere has convinced them that there is a bucket at every port or point of entry nationwide where importers drop money that will fill the Treasury coffers.
Who is claiming it doesn’t affect the consumer? And importers do pay the govt. US Customs collects at points of entry.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:41 am to momentoftruth87
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And importers do pay the govt. US Customs collects at points of entry.
And that costs is absorbed by the consumer
And in some cases the consumer is also the manufacturer of something we're attempting to export which makes our exports less competitive to nations that we do business with
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:43 am to Powerman
No kidding. Great you ignore my first sentence but quote the rest 
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:45 am to momentoftruth87
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And importers do pay the govt.
US importers, yes. And they pass those costs right on to consumers. The originating country is the last entity affected.
Its just bad policy when applied in the manner its being applied. This whole nonsense about trade deficits is moronic. Trade deficits with these countries is a sign of strength, not weakness. The only thing this all accomplishes is raising costs for Americans. We still need their cheap shite, and we are never, ever going to make that stuff here.
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 12:47 am
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:49 am to momentoftruth87
I didn't ignore it. I just chose not to quote it. And I chose to expand upon how it can impact our exports as well.
It's almost like you know this is a shitty idea but go along with it anyway because you prefer to live in a fictional world
It's almost like you know this is a shitty idea but go along with it anyway because you prefer to live in a fictional world
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:52 am to momentoftruth87
Moment, I haven't seen you make the balanced trade argument, but if you do believe that it's a desirable goal, could you explain how it's possible for the richest economy in the world to achieve parity with everyone else, most being orders of magnitude less wealthy?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:58 am to northshorebamaman
I’ve said from day one they’re being used as leverage which will help the consumer. We also export a lot to just import it back which is why this leverage is important.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:00 am to momentoftruth87
How does making a product more expensive for the consumer, which you acknowledge happens with tariffs, give leverage to the consumer?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:02 am to momentoftruth87
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I’ve said from day one they’re being used as leverage which will help the consumer.
If we are talking about China, or Canada, or the EU, sure.
This doesn't apply to Indonesia, Vietnam, etc.
It is only hurting Americans.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:11 am to Indefatigable
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The originating country is the last entity affected.
Less of the product gets sold and factories move to a place with less tariffs ie the American Midwest.
That’s the whole point retard.
Guarantee you are a boomer who is completely ignorant about automation.
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 1:13 am
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:14 am to momentoftruth87
quote:Cool. I hadn't seen you make the argument myself, and didn't want to assume.
I’ve said from day one they’re being used as leverage which will help the consumer.
So, it sounds like what you're saying is the tariffs are performative, meant to
cause the opponent to blink first, rather than achieve balanced trade?
Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding. I don't want to misconstrue you or inadvertently strawman you. I'm genuinely trying to understand the handful of common arguments in support of the trade war and how it's possible to fit them together.
Yours seems to be 'it's a bluff' which is a legitimate strategy and I'm not shitting on it, just making sure that's what you're saying.
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 1:42 am
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:22 am to ManBearSharkReb
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Less of the product gets sold and factories move to a place with less tariffs ie the American Midwest.
That’s the whole point retard.
Guarantee you are a boomer who is completely ignorant about automation.
I am the total opposite of a boomer
No, we aren't going to start mass-producing t-shirts in the United States. It is simply cheaper to do that elsewhere and there is nothing wrong with buying more from Vietnam than they buy from us. We aren't going to start randomly making all of the useless consumer shite that the US buys. Purses, belts, shoes, desk calendars, headsets, etc. Anything you can think of really that requires zero skill and cheap labor.
We don't have that labor. Its a good thing.
But by all means, point me to the workforce in the US that wants to go work in a factory making wal mart apparel.
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 1:24 am
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:27 am to ManBearSharkReb
quote:Do we want every manufacturing industry back in the US? Textiles, cheap plastics, etc...?
Less of the product gets sold and factories move to a place with less tariffs ie the American Midwest
That’s the whole point retard.
Guarantee you are a boomer who is completely ignorant about automation.
And sure, you can introduce automation to the argument, but there goes 'bringing those job's back to America', which is another oft-used argument in support of tariffs. This is an example of conflicting concepts that are regularly argued concurrently, often in the same paragraph.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:02 am to Powerman
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You might want to review the actual data
Now, there's an idea almost no one on this thread will even consider.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:49 am to northshorebamaman
quote:Why are you using the word "rival?"
Are you actually expecting their economy to rival ours in your lifetime
I'm starting to get the impression that the doomcasters can't critique tariffs without strawman characterizations
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:55 am to Warboo
I always said Trump aims high.
Like with deporting 20 million people. That’s never going to happen. But if you can get a few million out while millions more aren’t pouring in, it’s a net positive.
Like with deporting 20 million people. That’s never going to happen. But if you can get a few million out while millions more aren’t pouring in, it’s a net positive.
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 7:56 am
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:55 am to Powerman
quote:
It seems like most people who support that tariffs acknowledge it's a tax on the American people
How much more are we paying on daily ised goods from this tax?
At somepoint you clowns who keep sayong this will have to give us a number
Cause we have gotten from $2-10 a day or $360-3600 a year
So whats the number. Cause for me its still zero
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:58 am to somethingdifferent
Skipping over the argument - we are six pages in - OP abandoned the thread - do we have any evidence to support the premise from the OP yet on the trade surplus claim?
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