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re: Tariffs. What libertarian Economists don't grasp and more.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 1:31 pm to Ten Bears
Posted on 3/26/25 at 1:31 pm to Ten Bears
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I'm not arguing w/ Sowell. You are trying to use a quote from Sowell to somehow prove that some sort of inconsistency exists between his view on immigration and his view on tariffs. That is simply not the case. Sowell makes it VERY clear that immigration policies do not have any merit if people can simply walk across the border. And, that is 100% true. Outside of a few wacko democrats and progressive economists, no one is arguing for open borders.
You need to breathe and then read. You are more than taking liberties and inserting thi gs not said.
I never stated he was pro open border. So your case against what I said in based on nothing but thin air.
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To be clear, Sowell is against tariffs and illegal immigration. In no way is this an irrational or inconsistent. Powell is also anti-tariff and pro legal immigration when those immigrating become productive, contributing members of American society.
You are arguing against a point nobody made.
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 1:34 pm to Flats
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started when you accused me of being in favor of open borders.
It was a question.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 1:36 pm to SDVTiger
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Why cant you just answer my question?
Not one of you tards can do it. Incredible
I thought I did, but I want to point out that when you are challenged to answer WITH MATH you don’t.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 1:38 pm to BCreed1
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To consider only the costs of tariffs, and not the benefits is a mistake. The basic premise is that domestic production has value beyond what market prices reflect.
In our current environment, telling a company that they will pay a tariff or they can build here to avoid it is still doing business
We are in a catch 22 situation
Not many companies are going to build plants when everything could change in 4 years with a new administration.
We are not capable of manufacturing what we need. If we could build or repurpose in a short amount of time it would have to be financed by the government. The cost of goods will be passed along to the customers and taxpayers.
This post was edited on 3/26/25 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 3/26/25 at 1:38 pm to Jjdoc
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Tell me what happened over all from then to now? That's the only measurement that matters.
The problem with that is we aren’t holding everything constant and manipulating one variable. It gets extremely complicated - far beyond what any of us can dissect.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 1:45 pm to MizzouBS
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Not many companies are going to build plants when everything could change in 4 years with a new administration.
4 trillion announced investments.
Under Reagan, the Japanese car manufacturers moved her to avoid quotas.... those plants are still here.
The same thing with Trump. LG and Samsung moved here and those jobs are still here and the tariffs are not. In fact they have expanded.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 1:49 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Tariffs are constitutional. Income taxes are not.
Article. V.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
AMENDMENT XVI
Passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified February 3, 1913.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 1:51 pm to Jjdoc
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Under Reagan, the Japanese car manufacturers moved her to avoid quotas.... those plants are still here.
They also built luxury brands like Lexus and overran the US market
Protectionism leads to a lack of innovation and competition.
You progressives never learned that govt actions usually created unwanted outcomes.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:10 pm to Jjdoc
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You need to breathe and then read. You are more than taking liberties and inserting thi gs not said.
I never stated he was pro open border. So your case against what I said in based on nothing but thin air.
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You are arguing against a point nobody made.
If you could read, I never suggested that you claimed Sowell was open border. I simply pointed out that his stance on immigration is consistent with his stance on tariffs. You have incorrectly inferred that his stance on immigration is inconsistent with his position on tariffs by cherry-picking a random comment when his all of his works indicates otherwise.
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That is inconsistent with his stance on tariffs. For the reasons he believes the federal gov should step up on immigration and control the borders, and I agree with him, is not consistent with tariffs. Understand?
Let me word it differently. Per free traders, we should do what ever we can to lower the prices to consumers here. Therefore tariffs are not ideal. Well, controlling the border is the same thing. If we allow cheap labor to come in, then prices drop to consumers. So why have immigration? All you are doing is... PROTECTING American jobs!
That's exactly right.
I mean, you replied "That's exactly right"
Sorry, you're the one who needs to breathe and not only read, but more importantly, comprehend what is posted BEFORE you reply. This is the second time in this thread you have failed to do so.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:16 pm to Harry Boutte
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February 3, 1913
A dark day for this country.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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How did Bidens tariffs work out?
Any specific ones??
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:23 pm to BCreed1
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The Federal Reserve's monetary policies contributed to the Depression.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:24 pm to Bigdawgb
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Any specific ones??
any, all.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:26 pm to Penrod
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Tell me what happened over all from then to now? That's the only measurement that matters.
The problem with that is we aren’t holding everything constant and manipulating one variable. It gets extremely complicated - far beyond what any of us can dissect.
To address your point. Policies change and bad policies hurt us. And yes it does muddy the waters.
However in the case of Reagans quotas, we have expanded on to over 100k jobs since then and the quotas removed
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:26 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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One thing for certain, we are about to find out which theory on tariffs is correct.
It depends. First term Trump had so many exceptions to his tariffs that they really were just the tip, and then COVID hit and distorted economic numbers to get a sense of how they really affected the overall economy. But one thing that trump did BEFORE he did tariffs was to get tax cuts passed.
Trump 2.0 appears to talk a big tariff game but continually walks it back when the stock market pukes all over itself for a few days. It is also concerning that Trump isn't trying to get the tax cuts extended now and then try to re-establish global trade policies. My concern is that he will lose political capital fricking around with these tariffs and fail to get the tax cuts extended. Then we have a cluster frick on hands. Higher taxes and higher taxes
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:27 pm to Penrod
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:33 pm to Penrod
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I thought I did
Of course you did cause your dumb. Not as dumb and dishonest as clown cuckeye so lets see of you will attempt to answer a very specific and simple answer
Pick any daily used good you want and tell me which tariff has caused the price to increase causing everyday ppl to struggle
An example. 25% tariffs caused Maple Syrup to increase from 2.99 to 5.99
Now we will lulz at you if you did something like that but it really shouldnt be this difficult to get us an answer to the question
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answer WITH MATH you don’t.
My answer zero
This post was edited on 3/26/25 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:34 pm to SDVTiger
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cause your dumb
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:35 pm to SDVTiger
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Pick any daily used good you want and tell me which tariff has caused the price to increase causing everyday ppl to struggle
"causing everday ppl to struggle" means whatever you want it to mean.
You're agreeing that tariffs increase prices, but your point is no price increases matter enough to be concerned about - is that your argument?
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:38 pm to David_DJS
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You're agreeing that tariffs increase prices,
No im not. I said these tariffs will cause ZERO price increases on daily used goods. And if any of you tards wants to provide a number to prove me wrong im.willing to listen
Fak its like dealing with my wife
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