re: Tariffs. What libertarian Economists don't grasp and more.

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That is inconsistent with his stance on tariffs. For the reasons he believes the federal gov should step up on immigration and control the borders, and I agree with him, is not consistent with tariffs. Understand?

Let me word it differently. Per free traders, we should do what ever we can to lower the prices to consumers here. Therefore tariffs are not ideal. Well, controlling the border is the same thing. If we allow cheap labor to come in, then prices drop to consumers. So why have immigration? All you are doing is... PROTECTING American jobs!

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That's exactly right.

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point I've made repeatedly. They want Big Government to incentivize them to buy American

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So you are pro open borders too.

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Are you a Democrat?

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Of course they are.

Why else would they be begging the federal government to tax the frick out of them.

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. PROTECTING American jobs!


That's exactly right.

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Youre not protecting jobs. Youre protecting BigCorp interest, and only a select group of corporations.

Tariffs crush the little guy, not the big guy

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You are wasting your time with SDV.

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Oh, I know. That's why i just put him into the copy/paste loop.

No pinhead thats me being right that the only example that would be used is washers and dryers

There is still not 1 example of daily used goods increase causing housing expenses to go up wrecking the common man

Not 1. Just excuses and questions to questions which proves you far leftards cannot answer

Its amazing

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Let me word it differently. Per free traders, we should do what ever we can to lower the prices to consumers here. Therefore tariffs are not ideal. Well, controlling the border is the same thing. If we allow cheap labor to come in, then prices drop to consumers. So why have immigration? All you are doing is... PROTECTING American jobs!

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Nah. If you’re crating all this domestic industry you are going to need a supply of inexpensive labor. US workers aren’t inexpensive. Where do you think the workers are going to come from?

We closing in on structural minimum unemployment levels. Trying to hire skilled and semi-skilled workers has been a nightmare for years. Birthrates are well below replacement levels.

All of that indicates you need more
immigration if you want tariffs to “work”. Otherwise you’re going to be stuck with massive price inflation in the labor markets, which will directly lead to inflation in virtually all goods and services.

I thought y’all liked low inflation?

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There is still not 1 example of daily used goods increase causing housing expenses to go up

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I thought you said…

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the only example that would be used is washers and dryers

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So you mean two?
Obviously the price of things go up when tariffs are placed on them. That is proved by almost every example ever. The question is whether they stay up or whether the eventual adjustment, that comes as domestic supply increases, eliminates all of the previous gain or just some.

But even if prices stay a little higher the question is: is it worth it? Tariffs are counterproductive if the only reason for them is to increase GDP. But they can be great tools to protect critical industries (an important consideration right now with China taking over critical supply chains) and they can, and in my opinion should, be used to protect the American working class from constant cheap competition from an almost infinite supply of foreigners emerging from poverty.

You want another example, though?

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Winston has studied the impact of one of Reagan's first trade tactics against Japan -- a quota imposed in 1981 on the number of Japanese cars that could come into the U.S. every year. It was meant to give American car companies like Ford (F), GM (GM)and Chrysler (FCAU) some breathing room from foreign competitors like Toyota and Nissan. It came at a time when the U.S. economy was in recession in the early 1980s, unemployment was rising towards 10% and inflation was high. U.S. companies were looking for any help they could get. One result of the new trade restrictions against Japan was that American car companies hiked up car prices, pulling in record profits at the time, Winston found. They didn't have to fear losing customers to Japanese car companies. U.S. car makers also lowered production in 1984 to help boost car prices. Less production meant fewer workers: America lost over 60,000 auto jobs between 1982 and 1984 due to the trade restrictions, according to Brookings. Consumers got hit hard. The average car price rose by about $1,000 at the time.

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Reagan’s restraints were necessary, and imo good policy. But they definitely led to somewhat higher prices in the short term.

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Nah. If you’re crating all this domestic industry you are going to need a supply of inexpensive labor. US workers aren’t inexpensive. Where do you think the workers are going to come from?

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So you disagree with Sowell here. He pointed out that you have to control the borders and immigration to allow Americans to fill the void.

That sir is protectionism. This either or only is why you guys can not reconcile your positions.

You absolutely missed the point in this:

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of that indicates you need more
immigration if you want tariffs to “work

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This isn't about how to make tariffs work. It's about government "interference " in the economy. Via immigration policies.

One you want, the other you don't.

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Libertarian Economists often quoted here. Some of which praise, with enthusiasm, carbon taxes.

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Stopped reading after this line.

And none of the economists libertarians praise support carbon taxes, or taxes in general.