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re: Sydney Powell is a sad example of the cost of emotional thinking & going off the deep end

Posted on 8/15/23 at 9:51 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/15/23 at 9:51 am to
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she hoped that by assisting trump to defile the election and taking over she could have a seat at the table during trump as dictator.



Trump never tried to be a "dictator"

Speaking of cult-like echo chamber-infused insanity.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 9:57 am to
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There was the still unexplained midnight count pause, with huge Biden jumps in every single such instance on count resumption.


1. the unexplained was explained. people went to bed.. normal. were you expecting them to go all night.
2. the mail came in.
nothing unusual.

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 9:59 am to
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I fail to believe is that (Powell is) just some stupid person who was bambozzled and placed her career in jeopardy because she just wasn't smart.
No one says she is not intelligent. Well, I don't say that, and I don't think SFP is saying that at all.

Hell, based upon her law school admission and imputed class rank, it is reasonable to infer that her IQ is in the range of 130 ... not a genius, but still top 2% or so of the population.

Even very smart people (well above Powell's level of intelligence) can fall prey to confirmation bias and groupthink ... unless they are VERY conscientious about avoiding it.
This post was edited on 8/15/23 at 3:11 pm
Posted by Mephistopheles
Member since Aug 2007
8394 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:00 am to
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she hoped that by assisting trump to defile the election and taking over she could have a seat at the table during trump as dictator.


This seems plausible.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:00 am to
Remember this gem?

quote:

The "former military intelligence official" who is cited under the anonymous name "Spider" in Sidney Powell's election lawsuits reportedly has no intelligence expertise and is an IT consultant, according to a Washington Post report.
Joshua Merritt, a 43-year-old information technology consultant, confirmed his identity as "Spider" to the Post.
He acknowledged that being cited as an expert was misleading.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465806 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:03 am to
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Even very smart people (well above Powell's level of intelligence) can fall prey to confirmation bias and groupthink .

100%

If you want some good examples, look up Aum Shinrikyo or The Order of the Solar Temple. Those cults were full of super smart and successful people.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465806 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:03 am to
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Remember this gem?


See THAT is a great example of why the "she was just representing her clients" angle ventures into bullshite.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61969 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:05 am to
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Her emotional reaction came before "observation and analysis of numbers", though.

She immediately thought "this election was fraudulent" and then went find data (from whatever source) backed this "gut reaction"



Facts not in evidence.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465806 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:06 am to
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Facts not in evidence

a. This isn't a trial

b. This statement invalidates your comments, too.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:07 am to
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Powell's "gut reaction" (aka emotional reaction) was that the elections were fraudulent (my argument is this was due to echo chamber repetition melting her brain).
I am not sure this was the reason.

There is no doubt that she had preconceptions, even before the election. There was reporting even on that night which could lead to someone with those preconceptions drawing the conclusions that she clearly drew.

From there (regardless of "echo chamber" or "herd mentality"), it is not difficult to imagine that she set out to validate the conclusions she had drawn based upon her preconceptions, rather than undertaking an objective analysis of "evidence" on both sides of the issue.

She is a trial attorney, and our adversary system tends to give rise to LOTS of attorneys who simply seek the evidence which SUPPORTS his/her side. Only the most-objective (and most successful) attorneys expend equal effort developing BOTH sides of the argument.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:07 am to
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What about smart people who didn't get swept up in either moral panic? Like me.


Can you not see the reason people think like they do? On one hand you have a FISA judge (and the government who presented it) take a completely fabricated lie, accept said "paid for" information and use it to SPY on a Presidential candidate, just cause he's not "one of their own".

And then you have lawyers trying to present evidence of voter fraud and they are denied by courts "no merit" "no standing".

The shut down of counting in the middle of the night by swing states and when counts resumed large jumps in Biden's votes. Not allowing Republican observers close enough to examine questionable ballots, and on and on and on. There's nothing emotional in looking at ALL of the coincidences that swung ONE way. Seems to me any person looking at it LOGICALLY knows something nefarious happened.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66548 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:10 am to
She was on some podcast thing a few days before the election with Thomas McInerney and he was talking about how the election would be stolen with Hammer/Scorecard software or something. So, you're right that she was already going down that rabbit hole.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465806 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:11 am to
I think that just shows the excuses had been built in prior to the election. You already see the same stuff with 2024, 1.25 years out.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11423 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:12 am to
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Even very smart people (well above Powell's level of intelligence) can fall prey to confirmation bias and groupthink ... unless they are VERY conscientious about avoiding it.


Right, and this wasn't a situation that was set up to reward or reinforce conscientiousness. Trump turned first to "team normal" within the usual White House and DOJ channels and when they didn't give him the answers he was looking for, he kept looking. So, from the side of adulating public, she was getting praised by the Q-fans pumped that she was helping free Flynn and bring about the Great Awakening and on the other hand getting included in Presidential legal team press conferences.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11423 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:14 am to
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She was on some podcast thing a few days before the election with Thomas McInerney and he was talking about how the election would be stolen with Hammer/Scorecard software or something. So, you're right that she was already going down that rabbit hole.


Yes, exactly, she seems to have been audience-captured after getting high on the fan supply from the Q base.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
17128 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:15 am to
While I definitely can agree in that passage that you’ve quoted it seems way more relevant in the media and the democrat party. Trump has hard core base and I’ll jump straight up to say while many will follow to the end of earth most are pissed off at the system we are in and the continuous destruction of our country. Trump is a phuck you to this. If he wasn’t such a threat to the DC way they would not be going to such great lengths and average people can see. Trump’s beliefs for the most part hasn’t changed much in 50 years and could have run as a Democrat and was asked by people plenty of times but always said no.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465806 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:15 am to
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d it seems way more relevant in the media and the democrat party. T


MOAR WHATABOUTISM
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11423 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:16 am to
I don't think he has many beliefs other than that he's entitled to praise, attention, wealth, and respect. He'll say or believe whatever he needs to in order to get those things.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61969 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:17 am to
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a. This isn't a trial

b. This statement invalidates your comments, too.



You are doing the same right to left analysis that Powell was doing.

You are offering an opinion (actually 2, you very quickly moved on to the grift motivation) trying to explain why she did what she did.

You aren't supporting your position with any evidence.

100%, what you are doing is emotional thinking, right?
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
119773 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:18 am to
Who did you vote for?
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