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re: Supplemental oxygen? What's the big deal here?
Posted on 10/4/20 at 2:29 pm to Jake88
Posted on 10/4/20 at 2:29 pm to Jake88
Exactly. There are some folks that just won’t hear what was clearly said. The only thing the med. staff was trying to avoid is the bullshite narrative of Trump needing oxygen which THEY would equate to ventilator somehow in THEIR narrative.
It was simply something all of us would be given at 74 years of age in the hospital if we had the China flu
It was simply something all of us would be given at 74 years of age in the hospital if we had the China flu
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Posted on 10/4/20 at 3:17 pm to Homesick Tiger
I agree. His physicians should not have dodged question three times Saturday about ever being on oxygen. I think we all knew with the third question, “has he ever Been on supplemental oxygen” and the response of “he he has not been on oxygen today“, that he was on oxygen at some point during his treatment. I know Trump does not want to appear weak. But 02 is no big deal. Surely they could have anticipated this question and realized that it would lead to more scrutiny and distrust about not being transparent . You really can’t blame the media for pouncing on that one. In Fairness, you can’t blame the physicians either because I’m sure Trump or the administration did not want that information out there. But it’s no big deal.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 4:56 pm to LSURussian
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That's just as silly.
The President wasn't given oxygen because he was having trouble breathing. He never had trouble breathing.
There have been a number of reports that he experienced shortness of breath. I wasn't there, so I don't know definitively one way or the other. I do know that the White House has been quite a bit less than transparent every step of the way, so there's that.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 5:25 pm to longwayfromLA
Oh my god. The White House hasn’t released every piece of data available on the President’s health? Whatever will we do?
Posted on 10/4/20 at 6:01 pm to the808bass
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Oh my god. The White House hasn’t released every piece of data available on the President’s health? Whatever will we do?
Probably wait for the dreaded media to dig out the truth and report on it, I reckon.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 6:29 pm to longwayfromLA
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That's not how any of this works. Every effort would be aimed toward getting someone breathing on their own. He got O2 because he needed O2.
Oh good Lord you're drama.
Quick care stations routinely give O2 for no good reason. It's exactly no big deal.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 6:32 pm to longwayfromLA
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Probably wait for the dreaded media to dig out the truth and report on it, I reckon.
They’re not dreaded. They’re irrelevant.
If they spent 1/10th the amount of time finding out what Biden’s medical condition is as they have Trump’s in the past 72 hours, I’d give them more slack.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 6:37 pm to chunk
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It will be glorious when he is discharged tomorrow
He's already taking victory laps in The Beast while giving the finger to democrats and the press. Meanwhile Biden is spending the day taking naps in his basement
This post was edited on 10/4/20 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 10/4/20 at 7:10 pm to Funkytown
Two things they avoided. Refusing to answer about oxygen means he had oxygen. Which is no bug deal. Their staff may have panicked, he may have panicked and asked for it. If he got short of breath or felt labored just asking for oxygen? He gets it. It has ZERO negative effects.
Not answering about his oxygen sat or his imaging results (maybe they’ve since answered) is “ominous”. Everything that was normal they could not say “normal” fast enough. When pressed on those 2 things they dodged. In the WH his sat probably got below 90 and his CXR and CT Chest are probably abnormal. Some X-rays are abnormal and you have to squint to see it. Some X-rays look like absolute dogshit. There are many degrees of abnormal. If nothing else rattle off the radiologist official dictated read and watch the media scramble to look up radiologist vocabulary. “Blunted costophrenic angle” “ground glass opacities” and on and on.
Not answering about his oxygen sat or his imaging results (maybe they’ve since answered) is “ominous”. Everything that was normal they could not say “normal” fast enough. When pressed on those 2 things they dodged. In the WH his sat probably got below 90 and his CXR and CT Chest are probably abnormal. Some X-rays are abnormal and you have to squint to see it. Some X-rays look like absolute dogshit. There are many degrees of abnormal. If nothing else rattle off the radiologist official dictated read and watch the media scramble to look up radiologist vocabulary. “Blunted costophrenic angle” “ground glass opacities” and on and on.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 7:59 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Eh. I’d guess a non-zero percentage of (especially older) Covid positive patients have some irregularities on their imaging. If they still do 3 months later, let’s talk.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 8:04 pm to longwayfromLA
quote:And yet you can't link just one of them. Why?
There have been a number of reports that he experienced shortness of breath.
I actually searched and could not find one story quoting a doctor that said POTUS experienced shortness of breath. But I found numerous stories quoting the President's doctor saying there was NO shortness of breath.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 8:06 pm to Homesick Tiger
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oxygen tent
I’ve been a respiratory therapist for 30 years and this was used before my time...
Posted on 10/4/20 at 8:32 pm to LSU alum wannabe
You're conflating "oxygen sat" and "shortness of breath"? Those are separate things and furthermore there's been zero reference to shortness of breath but to the contrary ample talk specifically of saturation levels.
As for the rest of the post, mostly on the question of why would POTUS, specifically his physician) appear to be restrained about disclosing other specific medical details about Trump, there's a simple and completely reasonable explanation for that: Trump simply opts to exercise his right to privacy in the details. The justification for demanding full disclosure that Trump's doctors can't be trusted, that's extremely weak. The requested items were not indispensably necessary, especially in light of the satisfactory information the doctors had already given. The Trump team obviously for whatever reason chose to confirm the instance of supplemental oxygen at the White House, but opted to deem further detail private.
Who could genuinely take issue with Trump for exercising some privacy when there's been so much effort to weaponize his own private information against him? The media has ruined any presumption that they seek private information in good faith. That's on them and it's unforgivable.
As for the rest of the post, mostly on the question of why would POTUS, specifically his physician) appear to be restrained about disclosing other specific medical details about Trump, there's a simple and completely reasonable explanation for that: Trump simply opts to exercise his right to privacy in the details. The justification for demanding full disclosure that Trump's doctors can't be trusted, that's extremely weak. The requested items were not indispensably necessary, especially in light of the satisfactory information the doctors had already given. The Trump team obviously for whatever reason chose to confirm the instance of supplemental oxygen at the White House, but opted to deem further detail private.
Who could genuinely take issue with Trump for exercising some privacy when there's been so much effort to weaponize his own private information against him? The media has ruined any presumption that they seek private information in good faith. That's on them and it's unforgivable.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 8:58 pm to prplhze2000
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to keep O2 levels up without tearing up his body, he is on a tank. Probably having to stay on his stomach as well.
Wut?
joking or just an idiot?
Posted on 10/4/20 at 9:03 pm to DMAN1968
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Wut?
joking or just an idiot?
No. That’s a real thing. It’s called pronating.
This post was edited on 10/4/20 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 10/4/20 at 9:05 pm to Hangover Haven
His room could be hyperbaric. That’s not out of the realm.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 9:10 pm to longwayfromLA
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Seems like that’s SOP for hospitals
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That's not how any of this works.
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Supplemental O2 would almost certainly be caught in whatever DRG the patient is admitted with so it's probably not going to incur an incremental charge
You are full of it.
So when I fill out my charge sheets...every night...and it includes a space for O2 per hour...that NO money is ever reimbursed for that?
Every hospital I have worked for in almost 28 years has this charge among many, many more just for respiratory therapy.
You know better.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 9:12 pm to Homesick Tiger
Hospitals put damn near everyone on oxygen
Posted on 10/4/20 at 9:16 pm to longwayfromLA
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Probably wait for the dreaded media to dig out the truth and report on it, I reckon.
The truth.
As they see it.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 9:23 pm to Hangover Haven
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I’ve been a respiratory therapist for 30 years and this was used before my time...
I've used them before...on babies.
It's been a looooonnnggg time.
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