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re: Study shows Pot is starting to effect healthcare and educational costs

Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:25 pm to
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:25 pm to
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I think the bigger problem with this is cell phones, tablets, and other screens used as babysitters.


That's a problem. No disagreement there. They are addictive.

Even for us on the poli board.


Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55615 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:26 pm to
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LOL Side stepping


Is exactly what you just did.

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And. Demonstrating you have no idea what a strawman argument is


ok.

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Hell. Your posted definition proves MY point


No.


Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:27 pm to
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We have sold this as a harmless herb. As a miracle drug. Now we will have to deal with the cost of Pot babies in healthcare and in education due to learning disabilities.


Sounds like some education would go a long way. I personally had no idea that prenatal marijuana use had been associated with low cognitive ability in children.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:28 pm to
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You will not relate me to a liberal in some sort of a warped attempt to belittle me into backing off. Evidently, you don't get me.


I don't care what affect it has on you. You are arguing as a liberal.

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I understand the tactic you are trying to use, I just won't allow it.

Our gov is NOT, nor has it ever been a gov of NO LAWS or restrictions.

Get past it and deal with the topic.


I have. Prohibition of a substance based upon your arguments is completely unsupportable

AND

History of prohibition of similar substances like alcohol proves my point.

Which, of course is why you want to pretend it's somehow different.

Bottom line. You're just a guy who wants to rationalize using government to prevent behavior you don't like with basically no substantive reason other than your emotional dislike for it

Liberal
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:31 pm to
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You will not relate me to a liberal


At their core, liberals are about controlling other people's lives. On this front, they've always been largely indistinguishable from the Pat Robertson wing of conservatives

Just liberals of a different color
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:31 pm to
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No


Yup
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:32 pm to
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half the population being stoned all day long


You think with marijuana becoming legal that half the population is gonna be smoking weed all day long?
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39667 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:35 pm to

Another step toward the Darwinian adjustment of what is becoming a borderline delusional and dysfunctional Species. And in a single Generation; seeing is believing.

They'd better get that AI up and running asap.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31576 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:40 pm to
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people will get high the same way they get "buzzed" by having a few beers every now and then, thats it.


Luckily,that's the way it was for me. I haven't smoked any in a couple of years,and won't say that I wouldn't smoke some right now,with a friend.However,I know way too many people,who have made weed a lifestyle.
Many went on to harder stuff,and died from that. They didn't OD from the weed of course,but I guarantee you,they were using it together with whatever killed them.
I have been seeing it for 40 years,and I sure ain't no angel. I am in the middle of it every day,I know more than I should,because so many people trust me.
As a thinking Human Being,I must consider all aspects and weigh parts against each other though.
Most of the smokers I know are good people,it's just like they don't know that time is passing,and leaving them behind.
I hope there is an answer.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31576 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:42 pm to
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I think the bigger problem with this is cell phones, tablets, and other screens used as babysitters.


I agree with this too. It's a huge problem,sucking in fully grown folks too.
Maybe it's an emptiness in people's lives nowadays,since we don't have to spend most every waking moment just thinking about surviving.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 5:52 pm
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 6:06 pm to
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You will not relate me to a liberal


At their core, liberals are about controlling other people's lives. On this front, they've always been largely indistinguishable from the Pat Robertson wing of conservatives

Just liberals of a different color


This, and I've said it for a long time. Big government is big government
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 6:11 pm to
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This, and I've said it for a long time. Big government is big government

Well, especially when the desired big govt is purely emotion driven.

He wants to call bringing up 20s prohibition a strawman but a strawman is when you try to throw in unrelated items OR, when you try to form another person's argument for them and argue against it.

It isn't when you bring up exact fricking corollaries!

You can't argue that you'd like to ban a substance just because it isn't completely healthy and then ignore that your argument 100% should apply to another substance with VERY VERY similar results.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 6:13 pm to
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I agree with this too. It's a huge problem,sucking in fully grown folks too.
Maybe it's an emptiness in people's lives nowadays,since we don't have to spend most every waking moment just thinking about surviving


Add welfare... free food, cheap/free housing, cheap/free phone, and we subsidize sedentary life. People then distract themselves from reality in a digital world.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 6:20 pm to
ya, i know some people that are weed heads and stay high every day all day just like some are alcoholics. i have a cousin that acts stupid when not high but acts normal when he is high because he is always that way so his brain has adjusted to functioning that way. i know others exactly like him but do it with beer, they drink damn near a case every day all day and cant function without beer.

its not the weed or the alcohol that made them that way, they are just weak minded people and would be drunks or even winos if they didnt have weed. people who "choose" to stay numb to reality do it because they want to, not because the drugs made them that way
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 6:24 pm
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31576 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 6:26 pm to
Yep, boredom is probably a person's greatest enemy.
I tried to get my brothers into canoeing,hiking,hunting artifacts,exploring,etc.
They chose differently though.
Posted by Breesus
Unplug
Member since Jan 2010
69549 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 7:29 pm to
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Imagine a USA where another 25 - 40% of the kids being born have LDs and health issues


To be honest with you man, intellegence and cognitive ability are largely genetic and environment based. If a dumbass mother is stupid enough to do copious amounts of any drugs during her pregnancy from caffeine and nicotine to weed and alcohol to meth, the kid is doomed anyway. There's a good chance he was already on the train to being a dumbass. And most of the studies you link share two common problems: 1. Causation vs correlation issues and 2. Their conclusions are unproven hypotheticals.

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The cost of and to the USA due to the current promotion of MJ. 



Have you compared the possible cost projections of the health risks of children effected by pot addled mothers vs potential revenue from legalized marijuana?

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On this very board. Yes. In fact they have argued for all drug to be legalized.



You decided to just ignore my post?

Who here is arguing for legalization without limitations or restrictions? That was your precise claim. Back it up.

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We are rushing to legalize something that we have not studied well enough t


It's currently federally illegal to study it. So how exactly do you propose we study it, if not to legalize it and then study it legally?

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We pit it vs booze. And in the process, it's presented as way safer. 


Well..... It is safer. Do you have a study or even just an opinion as to how it's more harmful?

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So now we are face with women being told and sold a bill of goods that we know is not true


You have yet to post a single article that shows : 1. Marijuana combating morning sickness is false. And 2. The dose needed to combat morning sickness vs the dose needed to effect fetal development. If you link those two things, then you have proven your point, and I'll concede to you.

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That message can't get out because of people like you. 


I've been begging you for proof of your message instead of just rampant claims.

Marijuana is currently illegal because of false claims spread by propaganda artists and believed as fact by the masses with 0 proof. Why would I just accept whatever opinon you throw out there?

This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 7:31 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134899 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 7:35 pm to
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Study shows Pot is starting to effect healthcare and educational costs
*affect
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33653 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 8:12 pm to
They are addicts. Could’ve been booze or coke (if they had cash). MJ is not the demon....their issue is an addictive personality.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299433 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 8:16 pm to
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You will not relate me to a liberal i


You've got the same nanny state mentality
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33653 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 8:25 pm to
What’s truly scary is IF this quack is a real MD.....

Seriously, he is a hardcore, bible-thumping prohibitionist. His main argument is based upon dumbass women who smoke during pregnancy and that it’s the mainstream MJ industry that endorsed it.

Honestly, he’s a fricking weirdo.
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