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re: Study shows Pot is starting to effect healthcare and educational costs
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:21 pm to Breesus
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:21 pm to Breesus
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Has has anyone argued for marijuana legalization without limitations or restrictions?
On this very board. Yes. In fact they have argued for all drug to be legalized.
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You continue to invent arguments and then project them onto people and then argue against those projected arguments instead of the points people make.
Not at all. I stated in the OP that mothers to be are increasingly using MJ. I backed that up with data.
I then moved to the reason why. The way it's been promoted.
Others have stated very clearly that we are making the same mistakes and get it. We are rushing to legalize something that we have not studied well enough to present the actual effects to the public.
Instead we have presented it as safe. I then moved into how it has been accepted as safe. We pit it vs booze. And in the process, it's presented as way safer. It's been done to the extent that nothing can be presented without it being labeled as anti-liberty and freedom.
So now we are face with women being told and sold a bill of goods that we know is not true. That message can't get out because of people like you.
Result.... kids born with LD and more. It's increasing and it's not even accepted in all of the USA. At this rate, we will have massive issues by the time that happens. At some point, the piper has to be paid.
Imagine a USA where another 25 - 40% of the kids being born have LDs and health issues. What will happen to the USA?
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:22 pm to lsufball19
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quote:How dare you tell a woman what she can or can not do with her body. Her body if she wants to smoke dope then she can. um CPS removes children from mother's custody if the baby is born with drugs in its system all the time.
And who pays for that. What happens to those poor kids...
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:24 pm to ShortyRob
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So, how exactly does the OP ever recover from this thread?
I don't need to recover from this thread. I am perfectly fine with where I stand.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:26 pm to ShortyRob
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Which subject are you trying to discuss here? That those selling pot should be more careful with their claims? Or, that pot should be illegal?
The cost of and to the USA due to the current promotion of MJ.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:31 pm to Jjdoc
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And who pays for that. What happens to those poor kids...
They're generally returned the mothers ultimately. If not, they're placed with the father,relatives, or in foster care. I'm not sure how that's relevant. The post i responded to said something along the lines of "how dare you tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body." well, you can and the state does because it's not her body they're concerned about but the child's body. And this happens more so when the child is testing positive for heroin, pills, etc and has already developed a physical addiction upon birth. There hasn't been some huge rise in dope babies with the legalization of marijuana.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:42 pm to auggie
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Both are almost 50,have never paid social security,they do carpentry work to avoid drug testing.Neither 1 has any retirement plan. It's sad to me,but I can't talk to them about it,I always get the same old stuff about how it's better than drinking.Now I realize,if I drank,the way that they smoke weed, I would have been dead a long time ago.They wake up and fire up,they smoke several times a day,and smoke like hell at night.
Interesting. New years night, I was around more than one daily users. I know them well. Both are more than willing to tell you exactly where they stand politically and how MJ fits in with their lives.
They use... They love Bernie... interesting, they both refuse to pay taxes. They both feel I should be paying them via the system.
I went to school with kids that smoked daily and they are dumb as a brick. They have zero reasoning.
I have a niece.... System dweller. Same way. I have a second niece... same way. Hits me up for thousands because of life style. Fired because her boss was an arse.... why? She (her boss) actually wanted her to show up and once there.... work.
Talking with any of them is a non starter. It does not "impair them".
My best friend almost lost his life due to driving after smoking. Was zoned out while and went straight through a red light. Never saw it.
I also had a friend whose dad drank like a fish. Beat the shite out of him all the time.
What I see happening right now is really unbelievable as DR. The push to legalize something that we KNOW is harmful but we want to use recreationally is more than dangerous.
The nation has been conditioned to feel safe with booze. Just don't drive. Now we are telling kids and young adults that MJ is safer and they begin to use it more.
I have posted and posted in this thread sites and news agencies saying it helps with morning sickness..... where do you think these women get the idea it's ok?
It seems we are destined to fail as a society.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:47 pm to lsufball19
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They're generally returned the mothers ultimately. If not, they're placed with the father,relatives, or in foster care. I'm not sure how that's relevant.
Because it costs. Because nobody in their right mind will say that a kid is not damaged from being forced into those situations.
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There hasn't been some huge rise in dope babies with the legalization of marijuana.
Bull mother fricking shite!
But continue for the sake of YOUR desire. Because that's all that friggin matters.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:57 pm to Razor Dawg
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Every statistical analysis of the study would have the % increase at 69.2%...basic math
And. It is also it's correct to say that it went up by just a few points. Don't fuk with me on this. You're in deep water now
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:59 pm to Jjdoc
My 2 brothers aren't political at all,they live in their own worlds.Both are married,1 has a wife that is a pill head,the other has a wife who drinks every night.
If I go to either's house,on any night,it is exactly the same.TV playing,but sound turned off,music playing.
In and out people,usually the same at either house,also carpenters/sheetrockers/painters with their wives/girlfriends,drift in burn some weed,talk about what jobs they are on,drift out again.
If weed was legalized tomorrow,it would take a month before they actually realized it,they damn sure wouldn't find out about it from the news.
If I go to either's house,on any night,it is exactly the same.TV playing,but sound turned off,music playing.
In and out people,usually the same at either house,also carpenters/sheetrockers/painters with their wives/girlfriends,drift in burn some weed,talk about what jobs they are on,drift out again.
If weed was legalized tomorrow,it would take a month before they actually realized it,they damn sure wouldn't find out about it from the news.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:00 pm to Razor Dawg
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No,it's not.Its basic math and any statistician/ math teacher would use the exact same calculations.
There isn't the statistician alive who doesn't understand the importance of the absolute number also
No statistician alive would argue that a 200% increase from a risk of one out of a hundred is as concerning as a 200% increase from a risk of 20 out of 100. If you don't understand that go back to Middle School
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:00 pm to Jjdoc
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I don't need to recover from this thread. I am perfectly fine with where I stand
Apparently is just another liberal who happens to be liberal on different issues
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:04 pm to auggie
It's really a worrisome state.
In the back of my mind, I can't help but think that the largest portion of these users are indeed communist supporting people and they don't even know it.
When I see these people, see the money from soros.... and then from a medical stand point...
In the back of my mind, I can't help but think that the largest portion of these users are indeed communist supporting people and they don't even know it.
When I see these people, see the money from soros.... and then from a medical stand point...
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:05 pm to Jjdoc
Again just for clarity. Every single argument you have made in this thread is also valid for making alcohol illegal
So why do you support one and not the other
So why do you support one and not the other
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:10 pm to ShortyRob
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Apparently is just another liberal who happens to be liberal on different issues
You will not relate me to a liberal in some sort of a warped attempt to belittle me into backing off. Evidently, you don't get me.
As with the burn out Gary Johnson, this side of the libertarian party is more in line with the communist arm of the left.
I could as easily assert you are very liberal and support all things anarchist because you support this. After all, anarchist also wants no gov what so ever.
I understand the tactic you are trying to use, I just won't allow it.
Our gov is NOT, nor has it ever been a gov of NO LAWS or restrictions.
Get past it and deal with the topic.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:12 pm to Jjdoc
Since when does the poli board believe in science or "studies."
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:12 pm to Knight of Old
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Look, I get that folks like to get high.
But holding up legalization and the impending result of half the population being stoned all day long does not compute as some sort of high-minded (pun intended) panacea of productive byproducts...
wow, i missed the part where its required to be constantly stoned out of your mind all day every day
i guess everyone in the united states has been in a constant falling down drunkeness since prohibition ended right? they would have had to be for you not to sound like a complete idiot with that uneducated statement you just made.
people will get high the same way they get "buzzed" by having a few beers every now and then, thats it.
geez, people like you must watch that reefer madness movie and think that is what its really like to smoke weed
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:14 pm to ShortyRob
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Again just for clarity. Every single argument you have made in this thread is also valid for making alcohol illegal
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A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
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This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or an understanding of both sides of the issue.
Address the topic.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:17 pm to Jjdoc
I am not totally against legalization,as long as there is adequate education before hand/along with,and that goes deeper than just the medical aspects.
Maybe if it happened tomorrow,my brothers could get with the program,and start getting ready for the inevitable old age coming at them fast.
Don't want them to die working.
Maybe if it happened tomorrow,my brothers could get with the program,and start getting ready for the inevitable old age coming at them fast.
Don't want them to die working.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:21 pm to Jjdoc
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Imagine a USA where another 25 - 40% of the kids being born have LDs and health issues. What will happen to the USA?
I think the bigger problem with this is cell phones, tablets, and other screens used as babysitters.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:24 pm to Jjdoc
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Address the topic
LOL
Side stepping
And. Demonstrating you have no idea what a strawman argument is
Hell. Your posted definition proves MY point
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