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re: Study reveals a $600 billion savings in administrative costs with Medicare for ALL

Posted on 2/9/20 at 2:44 pm to
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 2:44 pm to
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Study reveals a $600 billion savings in administrative costs with Medicare for

The level of stupidity required to believe this is startling
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64163 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 2:44 pm to
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But in the future if you post a dumbass OP, complete with extensive quotes, and you disagree with it, you'd do well to make that clear at the outset.

You'd also do well to avoid respondent pejoratives when you ignore that suggestion.



I don't need to cater to your bad assumptions. You were wrong to assume I supported what was posted. Plenty of news gets posted without commentary.

If someone makes a post about 2 people shot on bourbon street does that mean they endorse the murder? Do they need to explicitly state they dont support murder for you?



I thought the conclusions of the study were ridiculous, which is why I posted it. I have literally no history of supporting Bernie on this board or anything related to communism/socialism.


Information like this is what gets passed along through leftist circles, and serves as a source (among many) for their policy beliefs. As Bernie marches ever closer to being the nominee more articles like this will crop up and require attention. Whether you think its justified or not a large portion of this country believes in what this article writes about and will vote for it come election day.

Posted by DimTigerDontHate
Member since Feb 2020
180 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 2:45 pm to
Prepare for the downvotes in the face of facts and logic. Nobody on these forums is willing to accept that the government should help the average tax payer instead of the mega rich tax dodgers. Repubs have been conditioned to think for some reason that they deserve nothing in return for their tax dollars.
Posted by TitleistProV1X
Member since Nov 2015
3630 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 2:50 pm to
What is the current spend per person on administrative costs between Medicare and private insurance? I’m skeptical since they didn’t list it in the article
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64163 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 2:55 pm to
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Prepare for the downvotes in the face of facts and logic. Nobody on these forums is willing to accept that the government should help the average tax payer instead of the mega rich tax dodgers. Repubs have been conditioned to think for some reason that they deserve nothing in return for their tax dollars.



Are corporate monopolies bad to you? Why is it okay for the government to be a monopoly on arguably one of the most important expenditures in an Americans life? Not only that, why are you enthused to write this into law as a mandate?


If my health insurance sucks right now, I can pick a new plan, pick a new insurer etc.

What if my government plan sucks? I'll have nowhere to go.

And how can the party that's vehemently against facial recognition technology be in favor of the government controlling your medical history AND future medical treatments?

You want the CIA and NSA to have free reign of your health records anytime they want?

This post was edited on 2/9/20 at 2:56 pm
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64163 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:01 pm to
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What is the current spend per person on administrative costs between Medicare and private insurance? I’m skeptical since they didn’t list it in the article




Do we need a number to know that the government is infinitely more bureaucratic than anything else in existence?

And how long will it take until the health insurance wing of the government grows into multiple sections of bureaucratic garbage?

The Democrats have never seen a government program they dont like.

It asinine to believe this would be the extent of it, it's only the beginning. So there's a huge amount of hidden costs that won't even get mentioned until this plan is in place.

Then you know the program is going to go through missteps in implementation like the Obamacare website (think about that, only a website and it was a total mess).

Bernie has never created anything in his life besides the shite in his toilet.
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:09 pm to
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DimTigerDontHate


Why are you poor ?
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:15 pm to
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There’s a movement by some primary care doctors who advocate for direct care to the patients thus eliminating the insurance middleman.


I am OK with that as long as the cost for a visit is the same for EVERYONE . Unlike what Democrats want , their healthcare wants are based on income.
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
31030 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:30 pm to

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Study reveals a $600 billion savings in administrative costs with Medicare for ALL


Completely fake and a lie.
Posted by Music_City_Tiger
Nashville, TN
Member since Feb 2018
1087 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:34 pm to
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Study reveals a $600 billion savings in administrative costs with Medicare for ALL


Debunked many times... Forbes
This post was edited on 2/9/20 at 3:36 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135699 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:38 pm to
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I have literally no history of supporting Bernie on this board or anything related to communism/socialism.
... and I literally have no idea as to your posting history, who you support, what your background is or what your favorite color is. Nor do I know or care what or whom you "endorse".

You uploaded a dumbass OP with no associated commentary.
You now seem butthurt that your post created a point of confusion.

If you recognized how stupid the $600 billion in savings extrapolation was, you certainly did not note it. I'm glad you found the piece untrustworthy and its conclusions ridiculous, though.
quote:

Whether you think its justified or not a large portion of this country believes in what this article.
No.
I laid out what is in the article.

The folks you're addressing believe what they are told is in the article.
i.e., they are told that, based upon the Canadian System, M4A represents a potential $600B in Administrative savings. In fact, numbers cited in the article make the case for the huge administrative expense M4A would entail.
Posted by iron banks
Destrehan
Member since Jul 2014
4176 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:43 pm to
Health insurance companies were bad before the ACA and are now worse. Medicare was bad before the ACA and is still bad. Remember Harry stinking Reid really wanted single payor so they devised this garbage to payoff insurance companies while taking us all down the path toward single payor due to a "crisis". The answer is a free market system not this rigged system with the government pulling the strings.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56127 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:47 pm to
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There’s a movement by some primary care doctors who advocate for direct care to the patients thus eliminating the insurance middleman.


On my way out of the doctor's office one day when I got ready to pay I asked the nurse if I paid cash would I get a discount. She said no, that it was not permitted by law.

Why the hell not I wonder? That eliminates a level of bureaucracy right there.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:55 pm to
I’ve been in healthcare for 25 years.

Your OP is bullshite.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125550 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:57 pm to
Lolololol
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125550 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:59 pm to
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And when we consider that 67% of all US bankruptcies are due to exorbitant healthcare costs


Lolololol.
No. They aren’t.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 4:03 pm to
No I did not.

There are no competing subscription plans. There is Medicare Advantage and that is it. There is no incentive to really shop.

Give folks vouchers worth $X and let the various healthcare providers compete with different subscription plans.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74390 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 4:07 pm to
More competition, more sources and more international competition instead of the established "this is the way it's done now" can be a good thing long term.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
11277 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 4:14 pm to
So half a trillion out of 30+ trillion(by conservative estimates). That's not a fart in the wind.

Where does the money even come from. That's 6 years of federal budgets.

Free shite isn't free.
This post was edited on 2/9/20 at 4:18 pm
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43967 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 4:33 pm to
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Please tell us more about government making administration of complex industries more efficient



I’m not sure if it’s funny or sad that people out there truly believe this.
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