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re: Strip away whataboutism, election fraud, and specific GOPE policies, what does MAGA offer?
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:29 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't give a shite if the majority wants socialism.
Does the majority want socialism? I do not want it.
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:30 am to SlowFlowPro
The hubris it takes to think that's what you are here. 
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:30 am to lsuguy84
You're right, it's way better this way.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:30 am to Warboo
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The problem with the bold part of your statement is that China with their currency manipulations was causing a trade deficit for the US.
We benefited from China's stupidity.
Yes, it hurt certain low-level, unskilled jobs in the US, but that was going to happen anyway if we kept progressing.
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Trumps policies negated them though it goes against free trade it was needed.
It's just a little bit of Socialism because of the bad guy. We promise it will stop here
WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT BEFORE?
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:31 am to Warboo
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Does the majority want socialism?
Democrats clearly do
MAGA clearly does
That isn't a majority of the population to you?
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:32 am to Y.A. Tittle
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The hubris it takes to think that's what you are here.
I don't really believe that. I'm using their own projections (they love posting that picture) against them.
Another great one is this piece of (literal) Nazi propaganda
When they apply it to Trump
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Wages haven't kept up with inflation.
Full of shite again. Not under Trump.
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Inflation caused in part by tariffs.
Again.. BS! Inflation was caused by the excessive Covid payments and Biden's "Green Energy" along with suplly chains being crushed.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:32 am to Jjdoc
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Not under Trump.
Now compare those increase to the inflation we felt due to Trump's spending that we felt in 2021-2022
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:33 am to OceanMan
quote:In essence, the OP asks "What did Trumpism accomplish that the 'GOPe' would not have done as well?"quote:So you think this is a fair question?
What did Trump actually get accomplished for the long term in his administration of worth outside of 2 long-term GOPE policies (Judicial nominations and tax cuts, thanks to Mr. Establishment, Mitch McConnell, primarily)?
You have explicitly excluded everything you could think of that he has to offer
To conduct that analysis, of COURSE you exclude the things that the "GOPe" would have done EXACTLY the same, because they are NOT accomplishments of Trumpism.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:33 am to Warboo
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Does the majority want socialism? I do not want it.
The Trump economy is based on mercantilism, not capitalism
Its an intermediate between socialism and capitalism, requiring Mucho protectionism.
It worked in the 1500s, it doesn't work today.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:33 am to OceanMan
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You have explicitly excluded everything you could think of that he has to offer
Why is Trump a supporter of the Establishment?
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:People tend to forget that America's industrial might was originally BUILT on "sweatshops."
Sweatshops are great for emerging nations and a much better economic opportunity than the alternative options.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
OP’s problem is he thinks he’s better than everyone and he will trip over his own dick and lay down and take it like a spineless coward to prove this. People like OP are the problem with the GOP.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:35 am to AggieHank86
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So that Populists Trumpism ideas will never be challenged, apparently.
Tomfoolery from both sides hank!
Apparently, you no savey.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trump is promoting socialism.
No he isn;t and has never. You are simply lying.
The USA Federal gov was funded by Tariffs until FDR. Are you now suggesting, like Roger, that we were a communist nation for centuries until the great NON SOCIALIST FDR came along and freed us with FREE TRADE?
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Sound tax policy.
Strip away whataboutism, election fraud, and specific GOPE policies, what does MAGA offer?
Common sense management.
An end to the idiotic Ukrainian War.
A refocus on our real threat as a foreign adversary.
Etc.
But most importantly, his election would offer proof that Dem efforts to convert America into a Banana Republic failed miserably.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You are asking for self-examination.
A major point of this thread is to specifically define that "philosophical alignment" and it's been very hard on those projecting that very self-identification.
You won't get much of it.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
You have been a critic of the entire premise of American Exceptionalism in the past. It’s disingenuous to champion it now when it serves your debate points. I’d agree on the wisdom of your stated biases for the most part. Liberty- based principles that we can agree on.
I think I’ve given you the correct answer here. It may not be what you had hoped for, but it is the actual reason why Trump supporters are so loyal. The larger philosophical point ( you erroneously call it esoteric) is that Trump voters perceive a shared vision. There is no need to complicate it. Especially if you are going to immediately discount every substantive point that all these posters say are important to them. You don’t really want their opinion, you just want to bludgeon them AGAIN , with Orange Man Bad. I’d suggest you explore the validity of their answers if you want an actual answer to your question.
I think I’ve given you the correct answer here. It may not be what you had hoped for, but it is the actual reason why Trump supporters are so loyal. The larger philosophical point ( you erroneously call it esoteric) is that Trump voters perceive a shared vision. There is no need to complicate it. Especially if you are going to immediately discount every substantive point that all these posters say are important to them. You don’t really want their opinion, you just want to bludgeon them AGAIN , with Orange Man Bad. I’d suggest you explore the validity of their answers if you want an actual answer to your question.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's like saying that a liberal arts basic class would open your eyes to the systemic racism.
It's made in ignorance!
Education is ignorance
Yes. Education that teaches systemic racism is ignorance!
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Socialism is capitalism
You are lying again.
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Increasing the power of government is fighting the government itself
Dumbass!
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:38 am to Warboo
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oes the majority want socialism? I do not want it.
Exactly.
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