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re: Strip away whataboutism, election fraud, and specific GOPE policies, what does MAGA offer?
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:27 am to RCDfan1950
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:27 am to RCDfan1950
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Looking like this generation will be the one who finds out. It's coming
I love it. Maybe they'll understand what the 70s were like. These kids need a little hardship.
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:27 am to OceanMan
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You have explicitly excluded everything you could think of that he has to offer
I excluded Establishment/GOPE policies. I thought MAGA was against the Establishment. Why would they claim their policy victories?
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:28 am to Flats
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If it's not then the market will sort it out.
That's not true at all!
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The alternative is the government picking winners and losers with protectionist trade policies.
They have been for decades under "Free Trade"
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:28 am to AUCom96
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Can America subsist indefinitely as a consumer, software and boutique goods economy alone?
We are the largest or 2nd largest manufacturing country in the world
We exited the lowest level of manufacturing, for good reasons. You want to return these jobs, for some reason.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:29 am to Jjdoc
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And Globalism via Free Trade did what?
Allowed people to make their own choices via freedom.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:29 am to Flats
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Is that what you want? You want DC deciding which industries they want to protect?
It is LITERALLY what MAGA promotes. LITERAL socialism
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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But it's not really "best for Americans". It's best for some Americans at the expense of redistribution from others.
He's trying to build a political base by giving them shite from other Americans, aka Leftism.
So Trump's major selling point is...leftist economics? Socialism?
Look you are going to have to come to the realization that when there is a large gap between the haves and have nots this led to national turmoil. You can solve this issue either by tyranny which is the historical standard or American novel standard which is capitalism.
This issue is the federal government has to play a role to promote capitalism. They have to be the umpire that allows the poorest of poor to reach highest incomes and vise versa. But when corporations capture the umpires the playing field gets corrupted and the division of the classes get greater and the system gains more viscosity between income levels.
The irony of not using tariffs properly to make good trade deals and not using antitrust legislation to break up big corporations is IT LEADS TO SOCIALISM.
This post was edited on 8/18/23 at 9:02 am
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:32 am to GumboPot
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This issue is the federal government has to play a role to promote capitalism. They have to the the umpire
Where have I heard this before?
Oh yeah, every socialist in introductory poli sci classes.
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But when corporations capture the umpires t
Literally what MAGA is promoting. They are promoting stripping away freedom from private parties and giving government the role in deciding winners and losers. It's literal socialism.
Own up to it. MAGA economic policies are socialism
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:34 am to GumboPot
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This issue is that Joe Biden has to play a role to promote capitalism.
Fixed, because that's what you're really saying.
DC sucks, the swamp sucks, all those career politicians are evil. BTW, can you evil shitstains in DC get together and decide which industries you're going to protect? We totally trust you.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:34 am to RCDfan1950
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Many of us - Christians at the fore - recognize and fear the coming and "engineered collapse" (Cloward-Piven/Alinsky) of the USD, via rampant spending.
Trump still holds the record for largest spending under an admin. Biden may beat it, but Trump currently has the belt.
And you still support him?
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IMO, as a professing Christian (albeit not a top-tier practitioner one), I don't see how we can resist this narrative, given the mandate of Jesus re His Gospel of embracing and caring for "poorest amongst you".
I have long thought that given "a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link", the MO for a successful and prosperous society comes from the top down. Which is exactly what the Transnational Progressives are intending. Our Founders knew that God-given Freedom via our Constitution/Bill of Rights would only work for "a moral and religious" (self-policing) people. I.e., a Spiritual-based people. Even the best of our religious and political 'leaders' are corrupted by their own egoic instincts; so it is not illogical that the "weak links" go to hell as well.
This whole thing is Spiritual, assuming we exist in a Spiritual Universe. Fix the Spirit and the Flesh will prosper. Though I suspect that the "fix" will not come from Humanitie's best intentions or actions, but due to the influence of Evil, said 'fix' will come from a prophesied intervention "but for the elect's sake" (the Elect being people who worship true Love), by Jesus Christ, the appointed Spiritual 'Savior' of Humanity.
So you think Donald Trump is a key figure in a religious movement?
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:34 am to Jjdoc
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That's not true at all!
Its absolutely true. We mfg what is efficient for us to mfg. Are you also for making employers accept labor unions for collective bargaining?
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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I have had the same political positions for 18-ish years?
You were dyed in the wool liberal when I got here. Then a true blue conservative a few years after that. Now a fence sitting moderate contrarian.
People remember.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
A sense of traditional america
Captain TDS
Captain TDS
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:37 am to GRTiger
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You were dyed in the wool liberal when I got here. T
In 2008? No.
In 2008 I was primarily focused on the impending economic collapse due to the housing crisis, thanks to Jersey Tiger, Col Hap, et al.
NOBODY would have confused me for a liberal during those years. That was about the time I was as ancap as I ever got, in fact.
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Then a true blue conservative a few years after that.
What does this mean?
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Now a fence sitting moderate contrarian.
I'm only "fence sitting" b/c people have gone literally nuts and I stayed in reality.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Or you may be overthinking a very basic political phenomena. You know exactly why people like him. You know how precipitously our Institutions are collapsing. You see the cultural tumult. You just erroneously believe that pointing out inconsistencies in his words and deeds is going to matter. But Trump is seen as “ the last best hope” with political and cultural capitulation as the alternative. 70% of Americans are dissatisfied with the direction of the country. Biden is incompetent and corrupt and his administration is arguably the worst in American history. So those who want to fight against architected Decline and post- Constitutional excess have remained loyal. They see The Donald as the way back to an America they recognize.
It’s really fricking simple. American voters aren’t steeped in either policy or political philosophy. But they know their guy when they see him.
It’s really fricking simple. American voters aren’t steeped in either policy or political philosophy. But they know their guy when they see him.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:38 am to SDVTiger
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A sense of traditional america
When? 1990? 1790? 1890?
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
Truth...it hurts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Ok man
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:40 am to Lsupimp
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You know exactly why people like him.
They are sheep following the trend. Not because of any policy.
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But Trump is seen as “ the last best hope” with political and cultural capitulation as the alternative.
Again, in/out group dynamics. The same shite happened with GWB when all these people were pushing for the War on Terror and against dissenters like the Dixie Chicks. LITERALLY the same gameplan, but different policies. Same people.
They are going to flip again in 3-8 years to whichever political group they perceive as their in-group, regardless of the policies promoted.
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70% of Americans are dissatisfied with the direction of the country. Biden is incompetent and corrupt and his administration is arguably the worst in American history.
Whataboutism. I already excluded this in OP. I know MAGA is infested with whataboutism. Nobody is disputing that.
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So those who want to fight against architected Decline and post- Constitutional excess have remained loyal. They see The Donald as the way back to an America they recognize.
By promoting socialism?
This post was edited on 8/18/23 at 8:41 am
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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1990?
That would work captain TDS
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