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Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:06 am to Y.A. Tittle
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What does that have to do with the question I posed, though?
I don't have to believe in it when I am asking them, and they believe in it.
Do I have a vague notion of what they're referencing? Yes. That's why I can ask them the questions about their own perceptions.
My view on it is irrelevant.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:07 am to Jjdoc
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FDR started Free Trade sir.
Oh my god
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:07 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I mean, what kind of low information dipshit needed Trump to "expose" any of that?
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
You don;t get to ingore the rest of it Rog.
FDR removed the USA from the Gold standard. He did so by presidential proclamation and the dollar tanked immediately.
Reciprocal Trade Agreement Act gave FDR the ability to set a nations as most-favored.
FDR shifted the tax burden to the people. It was under FDR that Income taxes for the first time exceeded excise taxes and it literally hurt the poorer Americans.
FDR decided to go around congress and passed things by "Presidential decree" and was able to pass the RTAA... and that gave HIM, no longer congress, the power to end tariffs and push globalism and "Free Trade"
FDR and his guy, Cordell Hull literally moved the USA into globalism with the burden of funding to the people via income taxes and more. And they did so under lie that it would end wars by distributing wealth around the world. He also made a case that businesses would control the Gov by saying "Don't shoot my costumers"
Per your own opinions in this thread, you believe the USA was a socialist hell prior to FDR.... who evidently was not a socialist at all.
WOW!
FDR removed the USA from the Gold standard. He did so by presidential proclamation and the dollar tanked immediately.
Reciprocal Trade Agreement Act gave FDR the ability to set a nations as most-favored.
FDR shifted the tax burden to the people. It was under FDR that Income taxes for the first time exceeded excise taxes and it literally hurt the poorer Americans.
FDR decided to go around congress and passed things by "Presidential decree" and was able to pass the RTAA... and that gave HIM, no longer congress, the power to end tariffs and push globalism and "Free Trade"
FDR and his guy, Cordell Hull literally moved the USA into globalism with the burden of funding to the people via income taxes and more. And they did so under lie that it would end wars by distributing wealth around the world. He also made a case that businesses would control the Gov by saying "Don't shoot my costumers"
Per your own opinions in this thread, you believe the USA was a socialist hell prior to FDR.... who evidently was not a socialist at all.
WOW!
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:09 am to Jjdoc
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FDR started Free Trade sir
...
You are ignorant.
fricking Democrats...
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Youre very confused. Trump is far closer to FDR than a Republican
So was Reagan. Its all over his biography. Take the time to read it
And Reagan/Trump are #1 and #2 best national politicians in my lifetime. By a long margin
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:21 am to AggieHank86
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he "GOPe" would have done EXACTLY the same, because they are NOT accomplishments of Trumpism.
Then why does GOPe hate Trump?
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
Common sense and actual problem solving that works.
Trump/DeSantis 2024.
Trump/DeSantis 2024.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:24 am to TigerSprings
quote:Because he also wants to do a lot of really stupid shite, that they do not.
What did Trump actually get accomplished for the long term in his administration of worth outside of 2 long-term GOPE policies (Judicial nominations and tax cuts, thanks to Mr. Establishment, Mitch McConnell, primarily)?quote:Then why does GOPe hate Trump?
the "GOPe" would have done EXACTLY the same, ... they are NOT accomplishments of Trumpism.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:26 am to GumboPot
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The Trump era spending was COVID congressional spending.
Which congressman’s name was placed on the checks?
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:27 am to frogtown
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So who funds the magic money shatting unicorn? JJdoc, Gumbopot anyone have an idea?
Maybe you dig a Tariff well, and you just keep lowering the bucket down and filling it with Tariffs. Use the Tariffs to pay for government, problem solved.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:31 am to RobbBobb
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And Reagan/Trump are #1 and #2 best national politicians in my lifetime. By a long margin
You people will love Gavin when he's your leader.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:58 am to Flats
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Maybe you dig a Tariff well, and you just keep lowering the bucket down and filling it with Tariffs. Use the Tariffs to pay for government, problem solved.
Or just create jobs by digging holes and then more jobs by filling the holes with tariffs.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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Democrats also have reasons for their socialism.
They don't believe in market solutions, nor have much concept of wealth generation.
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Foreign governments steal from their citizen to subsidize it's own nations manufacturing
Which gives a double benefit to US citizens, just FYI.
It's a loss for them and for us. They lose money via the government filter, we have no jobs to buy their products.
Currently we cannot produce ABS rubber in the US unless our government gives companies just enough money to keep a plant operational in case we go to war with Russia.
It's a net loss with no ramifications for the countries engaging in this practice without open warfare.
Hell, I'm going to lunch and not responding to the rest. But we cannot act like global liberaltarianism will work, which is what we all would love, we can only try to have free markets within our boarders. Tariffs help create that dome of protection.
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We have advanced as an economy beyond paying these inefficient wages.
Also, we cannot have an engineering only society, with manufacturing only being done in other countries. It leaves the common man poor and with not direction in life.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 10:59 am to Lsupimp
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There isn’t any one policy or body of policies that is bigger than the true affinity his loyalists have for him. That’s his essence.
That is the definition of demagoguery.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 11:00 am to TigerSprings
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Then why does GOPe hate Trump?
Most don't.
Ones he's attacked/insulted do, for obvious reasons (see: John McCain, Paul Ryan, etc.)
They will disagree with him on certain policies, though, which shouldn't be an issue if we're stating they're 2 separate groups.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 11:03 am to RobbBobb
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So was Reagan. Its all over his biography. Take the time to read it
And Reagan/Trump are #1 and #2 best national politicians in my lifetime. By a long margin
It's always interesting to watch Trump Loyalists pretend to hold some reverence for Reagan, while also shitting all over his legacy by comparing him to Trump.
Has Trump tried to emulate Reagan while pretending he's a Republican? Sure, but he's failed miserably. He's not a good leader, he can't articulate the policies he tries to copy, and he can't get people to buy what he's selling like Reagan could.
Reagan wasn't perfect, and he's responsible for creating or perpetuating a lot of the things Trump Loyalists claim to oppose, but he ran fricking circles around Trump as President.
Trump is closer to Carter in terms of quality than he'll ever be to Reagan.
This post was edited on 8/18/23 at 11:04 am
Posted on 8/18/23 at 11:03 am to TigerSprings
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They don't believe in market solutions
Neither does MAGA.
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nor have much concept of wealth generation.
MAGA policies specifically strip wealth from the productive to redistribute to the unproductive.
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They lose money via the government filter, we have no jobs to buy their products.
But we do have jobs...better jobs than low-level manufacturing.
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Currently we cannot produce ABS rubber in the US unless our government gives companies just enough money to keep a plant operational in case we go to war with Russia.
So you are arguing against market solutions?
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we can only try to have free markets within our boarders. Tariffs help create that dome of protection.
Why do you hate Thomas Sowell so much?
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Also, we cannot have an engineering only society, with manufacturing only being done in other countries. It leaves the common man poor and with not direction in life.
There is no reason the "common man poor" can't work in skilled labor jobs. In fact, we have a huge demand for these jobs (even with so many illegal immigrants creating supply).
They just don't get their collectively-bargained over-priced, air-conditioned easy factory jobs for above-market pay.
Posted on 8/18/23 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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They don't believe in market solutions
Neither does MAGA.
Yes we do. Just because we do not like globalism/Free Trade with nations who abuse it does not mean that we do not like market solutions.
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MAGA policies specifically strip wealth from the productive to redistribute to the unproductive.
NOPE! But free trade wrecked whole areas of our nations taking that wealth and giving it to the CCP.
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