re: STARMER: UK READY TO DEPLOY TROOPS AND JETS FOR UKRAINE PEACE DEAL

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Europe must do the heavy lifting. But to support peace in our continent and to succeed, this effort must have strong U.S. backing.”

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frick that. EU gets the whole pie.

Better yet. We ought to come out on Russia and China's side and back them.

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In this specific instance, this conflict started in late 2013 by Russia (directly or indirectly) thwarting EU integration of Ukraine. That matters to the EU.

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Let them fund and fight it then.

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Sounds like you have no idea what the charter says or requires

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NATO Charter - Article 6

For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack: on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.”

NATO - Article 6 & 5

An attack on NATO forces deployed in Ukraine or on NATO staging centers in NATO nations could easily result in the US being called upon to honor our NATO commitments and would absolutely be interpreted by our domestic press as requiring us to do so.

If they vote to invoke article 5 / 6 and Trump failed to honor the treaty, the entire DNC and some GOPe members will act to impeach him which might be the entire point of this Ukraine dance.

Ah yes, war perpetuation. That always works out well for the world economy and civilians of feuding Nations. Thanks UK!

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An attack on NATO forces deployed in Ukraine or on NATO staging centers in NATO nations could easily result in the US being called upon to honor our NATO commitments and would absolutely be interpreted by our domestic press as requiring us to do so.

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No it wouldn't, because you can't read.

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For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack: on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.”

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Zero NATO member forces were deployed in Ukraine when the North Atlantic Treaty came into effect. That language was included to ensure that Berlin and Vienna were covered.

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but Ukraine and Russia have more history than Ukraine and the EU.

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How does that matter?

The only thing that should govern Ukraine's relationship with the EU is how Ukraine and the EU feel about it. Russia doesn't retain some inherent right to dictate Kiev's foreign relations just because Moscow ties itself to the Kievan Rus from 1,000 years ago.

As I clearly mentioned, if NATO nations are deploying troops to Ukraine there are 100 scenarios which would allow them to invoke article 5.

A train depot in Poland blows up?
A jet is shot down on the wrong side of the border?
A NATO supply ship is sunk?
A missile flies across the Polish border?
Etc

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As I clearly mentioned, if NATO nations are deploying troops to Ukraine there are 100 scenarios which would allow them to invoke article 5.

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So in support of this hypothesis, you posted......

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A train depot in Poland blows up?
A jet is shot down on the wrong side of the border?
A NATO supply ship is sunk?
A missile flies across the Polish border?

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zero things that would happen in Ukraine?

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A missile flies across the Polish border?

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Has already happened. No Article V invocation.

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A NATO supply ship is sunk?

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A British ship in the Black Sea being sunk, for example, in furtherance of a unilateral or EU-adjacent mission in Ukraine would have zero Article V implications.

Its like some of you don't know anything about the 20th Century or NATO's history. Greece and Turkey have had armed conflicts while both being NATO members, for crying out loud.

We should just leave UN/ NATO and form our own group.

1. Invite Hungary, Slovakia, Italy, South Korea, Japan, and anyone else who isn't a globalist puppet.

2. Force Canada/ Mexico to join and bow down or face the consequences.

3. Make a deal with Russia for minerals and oil.

4. Make a deal with Russia to cut all oil going to Europe.

5. Increase tariffs on Europe.

6. Make all of Europe renegotiate a deal with both the US and Russia on oil and other commodities at an increased price and in return provide a peace deal with Russia.

Cuck China and the Middle East in the process or let Europe join them. Goodluck against a united Russia/ US with allies.

At the very least entertain the possibility or use it as a threat. #3-#6 is the easiest path to peace and stunting the globalist.

" in the event of a peace deal"

That was third lol