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re: St. Lucia/Colombia/South Africa/Zambia/Ivory Coast
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:43 pm to carbola
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:43 pm to carbola
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I realize that I normally don't come into contact with other people's bodily fluids.
You really don't know that when said fluids are in aerosol form (from coughing) or on surfaces you touch, like door handles, vending machines, etc.
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:46 pm to carbola
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what's to stop them from flying to Canada/Mexico and then crossing the border.
Probably no direct flights there. Also this places the element of time into their travel plans, which is the point of a "ban". More time allows authorities to catch infected individuals.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:48 pm to carbola
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So ban all of our doctors from helping and soldiers (which I still don't understand)?
No, the only travel allowed to or from should be qualified medical personnel. They should be tested before they leave whatever African country they are in, then tested again once they get to the US then quarantined for 48 hours for observation.
The strain running through Liberia has a 50-70% mortality rate.
Not instituting some sort of ban is akin to the drunk redneck handing off his beer just before saying "watch this". Drunk, dumb and thinks he's invulnerable.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:50 pm to GumboPot
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Probably no direct flights there. Also this places the element of time into their travel plans, which is the point of a "ban". More time allows authorities to catch infected individuals.
direct flights from the US to africa are few and far between. And they are really expensive.
source: went to africa last year
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:51 pm to carbola
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Let's just assume we shut down our border, what's to stop them from flying to Canada/Mexico and then crossing the border. If they are that desperate to get here, they will get here.
Mexico already has a flight ban from West African countries. I'll check to see if Canada does.
Also, increased border security (another Obama failure) would make this less of an issue, but thats another topic.
Why make the target so easy? The simple solution is enact a temporary travel ban.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:52 pm to GumboPot
quote:There are NO direct flights from the US.quote:Probably no direct flights there. Also this places the element of time into their travel plans, which is the point of a "ban". More time allows authorities to catch infected individuals.
what's to stop them from flying to Canada/Mexico and then crossing the border.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:54 pm to BugAC
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Mexico already has a flight ban from West African countries.
Figured they would. Mexico doesn't f' around when it comes to border security in terms of ingress.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:55 pm to BugAC
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Mexico already has a flight ban from West African countries. I'll check to see if Canada does.
Also, increased border security (another Obama failure) would make this less of an issue, but thats another topic.
Why make the target so easy? The simple solution is enact a temporary travel ban.
there are two flights daily to senegal from the US
There are like 10 flights a week from nigeria to the US.
I am betting there are zero from Mexico to west africa. toronto might have one or two.
I don't have a problem shutting those down, but they won't stop the flow. Most all of those people are already getting here through europe
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:56 pm to ihometiger
Racist countries
Every one.
Every one.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:57 pm to mmcgrath
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There are NO direct flights from the US.
When I said "there" I meant "Canada/Mexico". No direct flights from countries like Liberia to Canada and Mexico.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:57 pm to Hawkeye95
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Most all of those people are already getting here through europe
There is a flight manifest for each passenger, no? We have a TSA we waste millions on, why not use those tools to screen passengers. If you have been to west AFrica in the past x amount of days, you are not allowed entry into the United States.
However, if you are a US citizen, entry may be granted, but only under the custody of the CDC.
How is this a hard plan to formulate?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:59 pm to Hawkeye95
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There are like 10 flights a week from nigeria to the US.
Their outbreak is over last I checked
But much more importantly:
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I don't have a problem shutting those down, but they won't stop the flow. Most all of those people are already getting here through europe
This is the issue. Travel bans won't really do squat unless you want to ban whole nationalities at which point what are you gonna do about the expats here/in other countries. And even then you can fake documentation if you are desperate enough to get here.
Also on the whole 48 hour thing, this disease can incubate for 21 days. It would still "get out" if you only watched for 48 hours.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 4:01 pm to bamarep
quote:you left out "racist"
Those backwards arse, minority ran devils.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 4:01 pm to BugAC
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There is a flight manifest for each passenger, no?
if they booked there ticket through, then they should be able to see that. But often times its cheaper to book two flights, and overnight it in frankfurt.
Its not going to be easy to figure that out.
And really the TSA is incompetent.
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How is this a hard plan to formulate?
Its not, I just don't think it will do shite as I would imagine the CDC.
what they need is screening at airports, whch they have implemented in the 4 airports with direct flights to africa. Although it really should be done in europe too.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 4:03 pm to Hawkeye95
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what they need is screening at airports, whch they have implemented in the 4 airports with direct flights to africa. Although it really should be done in europe too.
This, upvote
Posted on 10/16/14 at 4:03 pm to carbola
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And even then you can fake documentation if you are desperate enough to get here.
and while liberians are not in this boat, the africans that can afford international air travel often have a passport in their former colonial country. So let's say you are nigerian, you can obtain an english passport fairly easy if you have $$/connections.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 4:07 pm to BugAC
Spent part of my childhood in St. Lucia....good times.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 4:11 pm to GumboPot
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When I said "there" I meant "Canada/Mexico". No direct flights from countries like Liberia to Canada and Mexico.
There are no direct flights from countries like Liberia to Canada and Mexico and the US.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 4:15 pm to BugAC
quote:That would be great if the fly out of Liberia, instead of driving to another country then flying out of there. Which is exactly what they would do if you force them underground.
There is a flight manifest for each passenger, no?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 4:27 pm to carbola
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quote:
what they need is screening at airports, whch they have implemented in the 4 airports with direct flights to africa. Although it really should be done in europe too.
This, upvote
I'm guessing neither of you realize the guy who died in Dallas the other day would have passed right through these screenings they are doing at those 4 airports had they actually been doing screenings when he came through.
There is only one full proof method of ensuring a virus like Ebola does not spread, that's through isolation of those who carry the virus. Screening at airports will not work. The only way to stop it is to isolate those areas where it's currently being seen.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 4:28 pm
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