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re: St. Louis County PD relieved of Duty in Ferguson
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:08 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:08 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I'm tempted to agree, but what about the honest inhabitants and business owners that are losing their property to these rioters?
I really do feel bad for those people, but the reality is that you are not dealing with a logical group of people. I mean shite, their reaction to what they feel was injustice towards one of their community members is to destroy and pillage THEIR OWN frickING COMMUNITY. That's like me burning down my house because I'm pissed at someone who live 5 miles away.
A greater police presence with nothing more isn't going to stop anything. However, less police only increases the chances that these jackasses move on to other completely innocent communities. You can't reason with morons. They're too stupid to understand your reasoning. There are only two ways to end it: (1) come in with full force and put a stop to it, or (2) let the fire burn itself out so to speak, while doing your best to make sure it doesn't spread.
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Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:08 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The Federal government is no more experienced in this than the NG. Probably less so.
I agree.
Feel like it's going to get really bad now.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:12 am to magildachunks
It's really quite simple. Put the place on lock down. Mandatory curfews until order is restored. Protect emergency services working in the area. Arrest anyone out after dark without an urgent need. It can be done without violating civil rights. And it must be done with the guard. The police have no trust there.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:13 am to Alt26
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let the fire burn itself out so to speak, while doing your best to make sure it doesn't spread.
Would you say the police presence displayed is fuel for that fire?
Police show up armed to the teeth, pointing guns at protesters, lighting them up with lasers, taunting(this has been reported, though I don't know how factual it is). It gives the protesters an image to be defiant and angry at.
I have a feeling that if the police would have been doing normal protest duty: standing in regular uniform and not body armor, watching the crowd while dispersed among them, and generally just having a regular presence there instead of a defense line, things would be a lot calmer.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:13 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The police have no trust there.
And that is the problem... This whole situation has been fumbled from the beginning and the longer it plays out and the tactics of local law enforcement, the more disdain grows.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:17 am to Alt26
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I really do feel bad for those people, but the reality is that you are not dealing with a logical group of people. I mean shite, their reaction to what they feel was injustice towards one of their community members is to destroy and pillage THEIR OWN frickING COMMUNITY. That's like me burning down my house because I'm pissed at someone who live 5 miles away.
Stats obtained by the local news says that a large number of the looters were from St. Louis, not Ferguson, and at least one was from Texas.
In other words, the problem doesn't appear to be local as much as the element that visits.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:17 am to Lsut81
And that's why it needs to be there NG. And they need to keep their presence as low profile as possible. No Kevlar helmets. Sidearms only if possible. A few guardsmen at each corner. Not to arrest or search passersby, just to have the presence. Armed escorts for fire and EMS. Detain all looters, but do not "arrest" them. Put them in holding until things calm down. Then return them.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:18 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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And they need to keep their presence as low profile as possible. No Kevlar helmets. Sidearms only
Someone who gets it
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:21 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Arrest anyone out after dark without an urgent need. It can be done without violating civil rights.
Interesting.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:21 am to the808bass
A curfew doesn't violate civil liberties.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:22 am to magildachunks
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taunting(this has been reported, though I don't know how factual it is).
Huffpo has video of a cop yelling at protesters to "bring it" and calling them "animals." Probably not in the training manual.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:23 am to the808bass
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Arrest anyone out after dark without an urgent need. It can be done without violating civil rights.
Interesting.
Actually works. But you have to declare a disaster zone.
BR did it after Gustav and I was pulled over every night four or five times trying to drive home. Luckily I had my signed consent letter from Jindal for disaster relief work to not have to go to jail.
Know one guy who spent a week in jail for driving around after dark.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:24 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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A curfew doesn't violate civil liberties.
Yes and no.
I think certain things have to happen before a curfew can lead to arrest.
Maybe that's just LA.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:26 am to magildachunks
I'd like to clarify that in my solution there would be no technical "arrests" during the operation except for major crimes like arson, assault or murder. All other violators would simply be detained and taken off the street for a period of time or returned to their residence.
ETA: there would be no charges or are set record is what I mean.
ETA: there would be no charges or are set record is what I mean.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 11:29 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:27 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The Federal government is no more experienced in this than the NG. Probably less so.
Waco model would work.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:30 am to magildachunks
Interesting to see if this is legal.
I can see the County relieving the city police, but county sheriff's are the elected law enforcement personnel.
Not sure this can be done.
I can see the County relieving the city police, but county sheriff's are the elected law enforcement personnel.
Not sure this can be done.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:36 am to Meauxjeaux
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Interesting to see if this is legal.
I can see the County relieving the city police, but county sheriff's are the elected law enforcement personnel.
Not sure this can be done.
Guarantee that the county took it away and gave the authority to the governor.
County looks worse than Ferguson PD this morning.
ETA: Especially after the Sheriff told the media "We showed a remarkable amount of restraint."
After what was shown last night, that can't be sitting well with people.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:42 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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A curfew doesn't violate civil liberties.
New Orleans had a curfew for over a month after Katrina
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:42 am to magildachunks
Shoot on sight. all done.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:43 am to themunch
Gov Nixon is saying EXACTLY what needs to be said and should have been said from the beginning.
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