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re: Spinoff: Grade changes in places other than EBR

Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:23 am to
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64600 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:23 am to
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This shite doesn't happen at privates


You sure about that?



If we are going to use one example to condemn all schools, let's say that a prominent LSU football player went to a private school and was involved in some group shenanigans in the boys locker room with a young girl. Why would anyone send their kids to a private school?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62054 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:53 am to
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many people spend money to move east of BR for supposedly better schools. Be careful.



If this kind of stuff is happening in Denham Springs, just imaging what is going on in Baton Rouge.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41812 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:01 am to
You showed character and commitment to your students and to your profession.

As a businessman, I can appreciate what you did. People don't always do the right things and instead take the easy way out.

Good luck at your next school. I hope the administration gives you the support you deserve.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12646 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:06 am to
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There's more to this story I'm sure. Probably something along the lines of a majority of your students failed their final. ( which says a lot about the teacher.). Principal looked at the grades after many parent and student complaints had to curve students final because they weren't prepared for the test. I'm sure there is something more here unless the principal said you need to bump only certain students grades. Take a look and realize that if you have a low 70 class average, maybe it's the teaching.


I'm leaning towards this as well. Chemistry is a pretty important class for college prep and DSHS is a good school. Looks like the OP was bringing way too much drama, not enough good teaching to the table.
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 9:25 am
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14975 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:14 am to
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Typical public school bullshite. And typical public school parents' responses on this board, going after the messenger.

This shite doesn't happen at privates. You follow the rules, make the grades, learn respect, or you're shown the door. I will never understand why someone with the means to do so, doesn't send their children to private schools


You would be incorrect.

In public school, principals feel pressure from parents who are tax-payers. Your point is that private school principals don't feel pressure from parents who are also tuition paying clients????

I mostly went to public schools, but for 2 years I went to a private school. You had to get the parents' PERMISSION to fail a student at that school. And that was the official policy of the school, not just some pressure thing.

Of course, not all private schools are like that. And Baton Rouge has some very good private schools. But don't kid yourself, there are plenty of 'pay your fees, make your B's' schools out there.
Posted by secondandshort
Member since Jan 2014
1087 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:31 am to
Really? Apparently this guy let his students down. Low 70's average for the class? That's not acceptable.
This is part of the problem with having teachers certified through alternate programs. They don't know how to teach. I'm willing to bet the hasn't been in the profession long and went through an alternate program after being in another profession.
I don't believe that all teachers who go through the alt certification are poor teachers but have seen some get into teaching for the wrong reasons.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60154 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:26 am to
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Denham Springs High School








Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41812 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:36 am to
I'm not going to judge him on his teaching ability . Perhaps he needs to improve. I don't know.

But if you stand up and don't cave in and fix grades I know you are doing the right thing .
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:41 am to
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You sure about that?



If we are going to use one example to condemn all schools, let's say that a prominent LSU football player went to a private school and was involved in some group shenanigans in the boys locker room with a young girl. Why would anyone send their kids to a private school?


I'm positive!

Kids will do stupid things no matter what. But changing grades for all or not giving those who excel or fail their proper grades? Won't happen.

LOL at your trying to compare sex with faculty and administration not supporting the common goal and having this grade crap happen.....I say it again...won't happen at privates.
Wtf the frick is wrong with humans....if 20 kids are in a class and 6 fail a test, it's means the test is voided? Wow...that is the recipe to grow losers.
Posted by sec13rowBBseat28
St George, LA
Member since Aug 2006
15758 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:43 am to
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You had to get the parents' PERMISSION to fail a student at that school
And what school would this be?
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
33074 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:45 am to
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This is part of the problem with having teachers certified through alternate programs. They don't know how to teach. I'm willing to bet the hasn't been in the profession long and went through an alternate program after being in another profession.
I don't believe that all teachers who go through the alt certification are poor teachers but have seen some get into teaching for the wrong reasons.


Wow you clearly have an agenda here. Yes some teachers who go through alternative certification are not great teachers, but the same can be said for teachers who go through the regular way of becoming certified. Unfortunately more and more people are getting into teaching who have no idea what they are doing, and think that just knowing the material is enough (I am not saying that is the OP btw).
I am currently going through an alternative certification program to be a Social Studies teacher and a coach, and I will say that if you don't have the discipline to learn the information you could probably pass without learning a whole lot. I don't blame the programs for this though, they give you everything you ned to be successful, if you are becoming a teacher you should be able to learn what they give you.

Also it is amazing how dumb some of these people in the program are, and kind of scary. They give you an aptitude test when you apply, and it is basically a problem solving/critical thinking/following directions test. I took it and thought it was unbelievably easy, when she went to grade it she was amazed that I got every question correct and said that had never happened before. The test was basically common sense, I couldn't believe she was so impressed I got every question right, I figured most people did
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64600 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:47 am to
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LOL at your trying to compare sex with faculty and administration not supporting the common goal and having this grade crap happen


I compared using one example to throw a blanket statement over all public schools.


quote:

won't happen at privates.


Keep telling yourself that.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14975 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:50 am to
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And what school would this be?


Sorry, not going to answer that. I like my anonymity and in retrospect probably should not have even mentioned that.

Choose not to believe it if you need proof, it won't hurt my feelings.
Posted by sec13rowBBseat28
St George, LA
Member since Aug 2006
15758 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:53 am to
So what happens if a parent does not give permission to the school to fail their child?
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57945 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:58 am to
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If only the teachers had a union to help fight these kinds of problems.


Teachers unions in La seem to focus only on state-level issues. I can't remember the last time I saw a news story about one of the state unions having teachers rally at a school about the school's shady administration. I'm not on the inside to know why that isn't happening though. Perhaps some of the teachers that post here can shed light on it?
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 12:59 pm to
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Keep telling yourself that.


I don't have to tell myself shite. I know our bylaws quite well. We don't have to listen to all the fake pc bs that goes thru those idiot's head who run the public school system. They want weak students to pass NO MATTER WHAT.

Keep telling yourself tha privates don't control their own laws, you'll be fine eventually.
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10733 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:37 pm to
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Part of a teachers job is to evaluate each students learning. I can assure you the grades I approved were accurate and consistent with each students performance


I get that. But WHY do you care if the grades were changed? Why the emotional connection?

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I just expect certain things from students - you know, like turning assignments in on time and students behaving and participating during class.


And the grades are your power source to ensure you receive those things that you want/expect?

I had an uncle that was a teacher for years. He tells a story about a visit he received from the parents of a student that failed his class. At the end of the meeting he asked the parents what grade they wanted for their son. He told them that he would be their responsibility much longer than he was his and that if they wanted him to receive a passing grade he did not deserve, it would not harm his a teacher, but would have a lasting impact upon their son, but the choice was theirs.

I just do not understand teachers being upset that the poor grade they gave a student did not stick.

btw: I noticed that learning the course material was not listed as one of the things you "just expect" from students.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57945 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:19 pm to
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I just do not understand teachers being upset that the poor grade they gave a student did not stick.


Integrity?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133626 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:22 pm to
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I just do not understand teachers being upset that the poor grade they gave a student did not stick.

Then why have grades at all?
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10733 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:07 pm to
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Integrity?


Don't think so.

She did what she thought was right. What the administration does has no impact on her integrity.

It does impact the school's integrity, but is that her responsibility?
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