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Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:12 am to SDVTiger
At 8 am on a Sunday?
People can be off, you know.
People can be off, you know.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:13 am to Tiguar
Yeah that's the only time you are posting in threads
Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:17 am to SDVTiger
People also take shits. Probably the dumbest argument around is the one you’re making right now.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:21 am to Tiguar
You sure do take a lot of shites while on the job
Definitely a doctor to take serious
Definitely a doctor to take serious
Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:49 am to Tiguar
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The NEJM just published a study in pregnant women who got the vaccine.
They did fine.
What are the results of the long term study?
You know, the one that takes several years to complete.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:17 am to TNoon
Do you want Cronenbergs? because this is how you get Cronenbergs.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:29 pm to SquatchDawg
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So it could also trigger unnaturally large balls….which would be a plus
Just wait until you’re in your 70’s.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 2:13 pm to NC_Tigah
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On the other hand, it seems the L&D nurse while claiming to be your "kindred soul" hasn't learned your "drop emotions" trick. She'd be better served if she did. Instead, she claims to be in healthcare, yet posts as if she garners her medical knowledge from the National Enquirer.
OH sweetie.. You are the emotional train wreck who, with no long term data AT ALL, spouts superlatives that encourage pregnant women to take an experimental drug to make you feel better for taking it yourself. The only emotion I have in all of this is the sads I get from your ridiculous fact deficient posts pushing pregnant women in a needlessly,
potentially dangerous, direction. They can wait till they deliver then take the experimental vax. The WHO (a group that I detest, BTW) nows recommends women of childbearing age don't drink at all.. And you want them to take an experimental vaccine? Wow.
You need to back off and go back to whatever you do when you are not giving horrible advice..
Posted on 6/20/21 at 2:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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We’ve come full circle from laughing at long term effects of COVID to shitting ourselves at long term effects of a vaccine for COVID."
It is a salient observation.
I've seen you quote this numerous times as a gotcha, but it's logically fallacious. I have been skeptical of the response to this virus from the beginning, because the totality of things I was seeing made me skeptical, and the behavior of public health officials and policy-makers, not to mention the behavior of their allies in the media, has been suspicious and dishonest.
"Getting a virus" and "getting a vaccine" are fundamentally different things. One may get a bunch of this unique spike protein if one's immune system doesn't fight the virus quickly or if effective medicines aren't given. One will get the spike protein, possibly into the reproductive organs, the bone marrow, etc, if one chooses the vaccine.
The powers that be were fear-mongering about the virus, so skepticism was warranted then. The same powers that be are squashing all discussion of alternatives to the vaccine and are engaging in an all-out, unprecedented push for the vaccine despite information that is starting to leak out about its dangers. It isn't illogical to respond with skepticism.
And again, go listen to Bret Weinstein's podcast about saving the world before you tell me there aren't any dangers. If the information given there is wrong, I'll be glad to listen to you explain why.
For example, tell me why I shouldn't be concerned about the distribution of the lipid nanoparticles.
Tell me why effort hasn't been made to educate the public about the unique nature of this spike protein the vaccine is teaching your bodies to create.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 6/20/21 at 4:44 pm to BornCritic
I bet NC_Tigah doesn't answer.. Your argument and questions are
much too rational and scientific for his poo flinging non-responses to cover adequately...
much too rational and scientific for his poo flinging non-responses to cover adequately...
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:00 pm to TNoon
Seems like a legit news source. They should publish findings like this in peer reviewable journals.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:11 pm to ned nederlander
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What puzzles me are the people that express concern about the unknown, long term risks of the vaccine but seem unperturbed by the equally unknown, long term risks of an actual infection.
What puzzles me is that there is a major push for EVERYONE to be vaccinated, even if they had Covid previously.
ETA - I am not in the medical field, so my take is based solely from the standpoint of logic.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 6/21/21 at 5:25 am to BornCritic
quote:Because its of so little real importance to you that you've not taken time to understand what lipid nanoparticles are, how many decades they've been tested, and how said distribution occurs. If you've not even taken that effort, why waste time chewing your nails in concern?
For example, tell me why I shouldn't be concerned about the distribution of the lipid nanoparticles.
TBH, I'm not even certain Weinstein claims nanoparticles are harmful though. The study he quotes simply used them as transport media for trackable markers assessing biodistribution in rats (mice).
The problem is, the study Weinstein references required administration of five-hundred times (500X) the appropriate lipid dose in order to gain systemic distribution in recordable quantity. If a person was overdosed 500-fold, we might see spillover in humans akin to the rat study.
quote:Negative.
One will get the spike protein, possibly into the reproductive organs, the bone marrow, etc, if one chooses the vaccine.
(1) Systemic spread does indeed occur during infection.
(2) Obviously such spread during infection includes widespread s-protein exposure, including the reproductive organs.
(3) Unless administered improperly (e.g., overdosed 500-fold like the scary rat study worrying you), a vast majority of vaccine is sequestered within the deltoid.
(4) Sequestered vaccine limits systemic spread.
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• There is no such thing as a "placenta filled with spike proteins" secondary to vaccination. None. Period. The nurse making that claim in this thread is an imbecile.
• Sterility following Covid infection is not a thing. It CERTAINLY is therefore not a thing following a CV19-vax. The nurse making that claim in this thread is an imbecile.
• There is no documented instance of teratogenicity d/t Covid infection anywhere. For one thing, unlike measles, rubella, mumps, etc., it is difficult for CV19 to access fetal circulation via the placental barrier.
In and of itself, intransmissiblity doesn't end teratogenic concerns. Viral infection of the cells at the maternal-fetal interface can affect placental function, sometimes severely. That in turn can result in miscarriage, intrauterine growth restriction, or premature birth. We've not seen that with CV19 though.
So with the widespread effort to scare hell out of the populace over Covid-19, would you not think if Covid infection could be associated with ANY uptick in fetal complications, we'd hear "terrified" journalists screaming such on radio, TV, and in print?
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The problem is, there has been so much demonstrably false Covid-19 information spewed by "experts" that you, as a layman, no longer know what or whom to trust. Filling that void is a cacophony of BS mainly from the left, but also from idiots on the right like the "L&D nurse" in this thread.
BTW, some of what Bret Weinstein asserts is spot on. He may be overstating vax concerns to compensate for the lack of a mainstream megaphone, and in recognition of current stupidity in the field.
Examples of said stupidity ... CV19 originated from Bat Soup, CV19 probably had a "natural origin", HCQ and/or ivermectin are "dangerous" and should never be used as anti-CV19's, even in absence of better alternatives, wearing two cloth masks while fully vaccinated and socially distanced >20-feet is scientifically reasonable, we should subject teens or preteens to emergency use of vaccines which target a virus of exceedingly low-risk to them. None of it makes medical or scientific sense.
So I share his disgust in those areas.
But Weinstein is misstating both findings, and risks associated with the vaccines, and in my opinion he probably knows that.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 6:27 am
Posted on 6/21/21 at 5:34 am to jimmy the leg
quote:It should puzzle you.
What puzzles me is that there is a major push for EVERYONE to be vaccinated, even if they had Covid previously.
From a medical standpoint, immunization following infection is complete unadulterated BS. It's medical malpractice. So I'm puzzled too.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 6:29 am to Bunk Moreland
"However, unlike today’s level of rigorous testing, the drug was not analyzed for any potentially dangerous teratogenic effects." The above is quoted from an article about Thalidomide (drug causing birth defects). Considering the haste involved in producing the COVID vaccine should give anyone reason to pause before consenting to this "experiment".
Posted on 6/21/21 at 6:41 am to jimmy the leg
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What puzzles me is that there is a major push for EVERYONE to be vaccinated, even if they had Covid previously. ETA - I am not in the medical field, so my take is based solely from the standpoint of logic.
There is no medical evidence or even rationale for it. It is dangerous with no evidence of additional benefit. I had the vaccine, was one of the first, but I wouldn’t have done it had I had a significant case of COVID.
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