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re: Special Ed...shocking statistic
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:06 pm to Zach
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:06 pm to Zach
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I'm listening to America's First News Radio and it's about the shortage of special ed teachers at schools. I knew that had been a problem but what I didn't know was this: "15% of all public school students are in special ed."
When I was in HS it was about 1%. What happened? They never explained the explosion. Anyone know?
you cannot link a radio program, so I did some digging.
Both links have a cool map where you can see each state, very even distribution pretty much for all states, I was expecting the deep south to have the most but surprising that is not the case.
the first link is from an article in 2023...they stated the same issues.
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/the-number-of-students-in-special-education-has-doubled-in-the-past-45-years/2023/07
Dark purple is bad.
this link is from the National Center for Education Statistics, not sure what that is but they say their date is from 2022-2023.
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cgg/students-with-disabilities
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:06 pm to PsychTiger
Massive increase in autism
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:07 pm to the808bass
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do you think Louisiana’s classification of gifted students is normative in the United States?
No idea. I've never had a kid in the Louisiana public school system. Was NPR only referring to Louisiana when they cited 15%?
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why wouldn't it be?
It's not exactly in the fat part of the bell curve when it comes to education. "Gifted" probably means you understand how to use apostrophes.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why wouldn't it be?
Most states don’t consider gifted and talented students as classified in the bucket of students with disabilities. Ymmv
This post was edited on 6/27/24 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:13 pm to Flats
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It's not exactly in the fat part of the bell curve when it comes to education. "Gifted" probably means you understand how to use apostrophes.
I believe most districts require 130 IQ
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:14 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Was NPR only referring to Louisiana when they cited 15%?
I assume not. Not sure why you’re kicking against the goads here.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:15 pm to Zach
White: 251.6 million people, or 60.1% of the population
Black or African American: 45.4 million people, or 12.2% of the population
Hispanic or Latino: 18.7% of the population
Asian American: 20.95 million people, or 6.1% of the population
American Indian or Alaska Native: 4.38 million people, or 0.7% of the population
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander: 0.2% of the population
Multiple races: 2.8% of the population
do the math
Black or African American: 45.4 million people, or 12.2% of the population
Hispanic or Latino: 18.7% of the population
Asian American: 20.95 million people, or 6.1% of the population
American Indian or Alaska Native: 4.38 million people, or 0.7% of the population
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander: 0.2% of the population
Multiple races: 2.8% of the population
do the math
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:15 pm to Zach
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Below 85 doesn't = special ed.
I'm just saying you still have 15% of the population sitting at 85 IQ. How low do you have to go to get down to 1%?
If special ed was 1% of the population it'd be because of a lack of screening and funding, not because that was the real amount of students that needed to be in that program.
This post was edited on 6/27/24 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I believe most districts require 130 IQ
That gets fungible. In districts where they don’t have the demographics/population to support the program, they’ll DEI the program to include some kids who aren’t stupid.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I believe most districts require 130 IQ
You're the nerd equivalent of the fat, balding 40 year old wearing his HS letter jacket to the DQ. I've never seen an adult so desperate to convince other people that they're intelligent.
Besides maybe Hank.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:26 pm to PsychTiger
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ADHD is vastly over diagnosed.
Single moms "need" the extra government income.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:28 pm to Flats
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You're the nerd equivalent of the fat, balding 40 year old wearing his HS letter jacket to the DQ. I've never seen an adult so desperate to convince other people that they're intelligent.
I stated the minimums. If I were bragging, I wouldn't be talking about that
This post was edited on 6/27/24 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:32 pm to Zach
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"15% of all public school students are in special ed."
China does not require compulsory education beyond middle school age. You can just start working if you wish.
One of the few things they do, that I fully agree with.
In high school I wasn't taught anything (outside of some algebra) that has benefitted me in my adult life. Most of what I learned in 9-12 that benefits me today, is what I took initiative to learn on my own. Learned alot in trade school, which I could've attended without a HS diploma.
I don't buy that "15% are special education" though, just like I don't buy all the bullshite "ADHD" diagnoses. The bar is just being lowered by the department of education, and teachers and parents are looking for ways to make it "easier" (Ritalin, etc.) to deal with high-strung kids. The numbers are mostly certainly higher than 20 years ago, but a lot of it can be plausibly explained by just taking a little dive down the rabbit hole of all the poisons the eff dee A is allowing to be put into food.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:33 pm to the808bass
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In districts where they don’t have the demographics/population to support the program, they’ll DEI the program to include some kids who aren’t stupid.
I think both EBR and Orleans Parishes are right around 130, too.
There is a matrix assessment if you don't get the IQ threshold, but 40% of that is raw IQ
I don't think this is dissimilar to anywhere else in the US.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yeah. There’s the stated guidelines and then the actual students.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 12:50 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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In several states, being classified as "gifted" also counts as special ed.
There are no gifted classes.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 1:05 pm to the808bass
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I believe most districts require 130 IQ That gets fungible. In districts where they don’t have the demographics/population to support the program, they’ll DEI the program to include some kids who aren’t stupid.
I'm sure it varies but I did find out the requirement in our district back then. It was IQ above 120 and top 5% of a standardized acquired knowledge test given to 7th graders. GT started in 8th. Elementary schools were too small for separating students.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 1:07 pm to Zach
My wife is special ed. A lot of her kids are not born of this land.
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