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re: Special Ed...shocking statistic

Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:12 am to
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:12 am to
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Yeah, but this article was about teacher shortage. Gifted kids aren't in those classes. The GT kids have LOTS of teachers begging for those jobs.


Gifted kids in states that classify them as special ed absolutely attend separate classes (at least 1 a day) than the general student body. Teaching gifted kids also requires a special certification in those states that the vast majority of teachers do not have.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117196 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:12 am to
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I am a special education teacher.


Then maybe you can answer this issue. The teaching subject with the highest turnover rate is special ed. The average tenure is 5 years and then they quit. Why?
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
24039 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:15 am to
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They get money for kids on learning plans.


The great fallacy of Bill Clinton was reducing welfare recipients when all they did was move them to SSI payments.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
127494 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:18 am to
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Gifted kids in states that classify them as special ed absolutely attend separate classes (at least 1 a day) than the general student body.


And this means nothing in the overall tabulation of SPED students. Thanks and drive through.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
27453 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:21 am to
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The teaching subject with the highest turnover rate is special ed. The average tenure is 5 years and then they quit. Why?


Is this a serious question?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
43638 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:22 am to
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Teaching gifted kids also requires a special certification in those states that the vast majority of teachers do not have.


They don’t really have a “need” for gifted teachers in my experience. Granted, I’m retired, and things do change, but in terms of the SPED population, it is a very small percentage (perhaps 1 in 10).

It is the teachers not in gifted classes where the turnover is greatest, and really noticeable.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
127494 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:23 am to
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The average tenure is 5 years and then they quit. Why?


I’ll take a stab at it.

The radical increase in students classified as special ed is being driven by kids, with behavioral issues being classified as special education.

Who would not burn out?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
43638 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:24 am to
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The average tenure is 5 years and then they quit. Why?


Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65408 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:24 am to
Crazy checks
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
23098 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:24 am to
I can absolutely answer your question. The job is difficult and demanding. There has been an increase in the number of special education teachers assaulted at work, parents make unreasonable demands, and there is very little support from the administration. After 5 years in public schools, I started teaching in a mental health facility. I still do the same work but have more academic freedom and more support.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471904 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:25 am to
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They never explained the explosion. Anyone know?


When welfare was cut in the 90s, the underclass shifted to SSI/disability.

Ultimately they discovered they could get checks for children via disability ("crazy checks"), so this practice exploded. IEPs and disabilities go hand in hand.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471904 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:26 am to
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The radical increase in students classified as special ed is being driven by kids, with behavioral issues being classified as special education.

Who would not burn out?

Additionally, a kid with an IEP can do almost fricking anything without fear of repercussion (and they know it).
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
127494 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:26 am to
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There has been an increase in the number of special education teachers assaulted at work


If teachers unions had any value, they would work for promoting a safe work environment for teachers.
Posted by trixie
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
52 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:27 am to
In Louisiana gifted and talented children are also considered special education children. I do not know if this is true everywhere. Two of my grandsons are in gifted classes and are classified as special education. 1 has a diagnosis of very high functioning autism and 1 is just smart.
Posted by BozemanTiger
Member since Jul 2020
4637 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:28 am to
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426029 posts
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so this practice exploded
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disabilities go hand in hand.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36730 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:29 am to
The definition has been expanded. If a kid has an IEP and that IEP suggests that the kid have little extra time, etc That's being pigeonholed with Special Ed.

I have issues about SpecEd and the way that it is administered and the overall reality is that the system essentially warehouses these kids once determined to have special needs
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471904 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:29 am to
I was technically in "Special Ed" and had an IEP
Posted by BozemanTiger
Member since Jul 2020
4637 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:31 am to
Yeah.

My son, too.

You do neither of you, generally, a greater service.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:31 am to
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Three things…

1. Autism
2. Social security (SPED = $$$)
3. Federal funding (Debt of Ed)
quote:

1. Autism
needs to be weaponized more... it is a growth industry if we do.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471904 posts
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:32 am to
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I have issues about SpecEd and the way that it is administered and the overall reality is that the system essentially warehouses these kids once determined to have special needs

It's one of the biggest issues with the underclass and it exposes a lot of the bullshite in Leftist rhetoric, especially their reliance on tabula rasa

They truly think they should sacrifice the future of 1000 innocent children if they can "save" one of these kids. It's insane and a major driver of the cycle of poverty they claim to be fighting.
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