re: Southern Baptist ban on women pastors fails in historic vote

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abdicated. I remember an old teacher claimed that Eve gets an unjust share of the blame because Adam set the pattern for what plagues the Church to this day, weak, passive, renegade males who refuse responsibility and accountability.

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Preacher preached on this a couple weeks ago. Weak men standby and let evil happen

The article at the link is a deceptive lie. Nothing changed about the SBC not allowing women to be full pastors of a congregation, the SBC should be applauded for maintaining this restriction.

This woke “journalist” twisted the facts to make it appear this was about adding women as pastors, that is not the case. All this vote did was allow some churches to stay in the SBC if they have assistant pastors/staff leaders that are female.

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“Let your women be silent in church” is pretty clear and unambiguous.

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So are

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Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.

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If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

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We gonna “strict literal” with every verse?

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So are
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Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.


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If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


We gonna “strict literal” with every verse?

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"Literal" simply means understanding what was written according to the intentions of the author.

Being subject to masters as slaves is not a bad thing. The purpose of that passage in 1 Peter 2 is to serve in submission in whatever place God has given you, knowing that ultimately you are submitting to the Lord who is sovereign over all things and gives Him glory. Peter in the very next verse says "For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly". Slavery isn't condoned here, but instead, Paul goes on to say that those who are slaves should seek their freedom if they have the opportunity to do so (1 Cor 7:21).

Context dictates how we are supposed to understand each verse in the Bible.

Likewise with the civil law against adultery in Leviticus 20, which you cited. That was a civil punishment for a crime within the theocracy of Israel. It's not wrong for any government to punish adultery with the death penalty, but it isn't applicable where there is no government pursuing it. Adultery is a sin and that does not change from government to government, but the temporal punishment is left up to each government to determine.

You’re right, I should’ve made a carve out for you in my post because to your credit, you were the only one who told folks to chill.

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They were more than willing to angrily tear down a brother in Christ over a difference of opinion on non-salvation doctrine. Funny how none of these guys that are so incredibly dedicated to sola scriptura have said a word to the folks in this thread responding with anger and venom.

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You are a woman arent you? Give it a rest and quit elevating yourself as some righteous victim. You were corrected by fellow believers. I do think that your personal political beliefs influence your "interpretation" of scripture and that particular "interpretation" is dangerous and leads to bad fruit. Ill make no bones about calling that out. You say im being harsh...thats not your call. Id argue that im passionate about the Church returning to scripture, not drifiting away from it. Maybe you should be a little humble, and accept correction from other believers.

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Patriarchal societies will dominate non patriarchal societies.

Civilization depends on the threat of violence by men.

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Those Arabs sure have been dominating and living high on the hog for hundreds of years!

The sheer volume of condescension and presuppositions from you that have been in this post are pretty staggering. You assume quite a bit about me and have littered your posts with logical fallacies.

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You are a woman arent you?

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I am not.

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You were corrected by fellow believers

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You didn’t correct anything, you provided your opinion. You’ve arrogantly stated how you’ve “corrected” me multiple times but you haven’t yet.

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I do think that your personal political beliefs influence your "interpretation" of scripture and that particular "interpretation" is dangerous and leads to bad fruit.

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You assume to know my political beliefs. That’s an assumption on your part. I never have and never will vote Democrat and I’ve voted against feminist ideology on my ballot.


You also don’t produce any data to your “bad fruit” argument. Do you have any evidence other than anecdotal to prove that my interpretation has led to bad fruit?

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You say im being harsh...thats not your call. Id argue that im passionate about the Church returning to scripture, not drifiting away from it. Maybe you should be a little humble, and accept correction from other believers.

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What about other Bible scholars who agree with my point of view? Should I humbly accept “correction” from you simply because it’s your view? Funny how you’re lecturing me about my lack of humility while you’re arguing that the ends justify the means or in this case, you can “correct” me anyway you choose as long as you deem yourself accurate.

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Yes and people have repeatedly told you. Its how men far more wise and righteous have interpreted it for centuries...because Paul is clear when hes giving instructions for the Church, hes clear when singling out certain people, and hes clear when he gives opinion that isnt a command. You want women to be able to preach, its obvious from this thread. That is clouding your judgement

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That is another fallacy, argument from authority. By that logic, Jesus should’ve just taken the Pharisees word for it when they gave their interpretation of scripture. They were educated and smarter than the disciples. What gave the disciples the right to question the interpretation of wise and smarter men?





And by the way, I haven’t shared my statement or opinion on women as senior pastors or lead pastors. It’s been assumed that’s my position but I haven’t said that even once.



I’ve even noted multiple other posters stating they have no problem with women leading in church so long as it’s only women’s or children’s ministries. If you’re so rigid on scripture, why haven’t you called them out? The Bible says they should be quiet in addition to not being in authority over men. So which is it? Did Paul really mean it when he said they should be quiet? Or do we interpret that portion as different?



You’ve arrogantly thrown stones at me from jump street and explained it all away with the excuse that “you’re passionate about scripture.” All you’ve managed is to assume and label me based on your own biases. Perhaps you should take your own advice on humility.

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Current modern churches are disgusting. It used to be that there was a feeling of solemn reflection when you entered church, as if God himself was present within.

Now, it's rock music, machines to make the air seem smokey, LED video walls, huge video projectors, broadcast cameras so the preacher can sell videos and nobody knows anyone anymore.

I can get closer to God at my dinner table holding the hands of my family for a prayer than I can in today's modern church.

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It really is a shame that so many Christians see their own autonomy as the most important aspect of the Christian faith these days. "Free will" trumps God's sovereignty and the desire to worship as man wants takes the place of worshipping according to how God has commanded. It seems like modern Christianity can be described as man worshipping himself with God's approval.

Worship in particular is messed up these days. The general worship philosophy seems to be "whatever God has not forbidden in worship is allowed" rather than "whatever God has not commanded in worship is forbidden" (the regulative principle of worship). Man now worships God according to his own imagination rather than worshipping God based on what He has commanded in Scripture. It's turned the worship of God away from Him being the focus to man being the focus, with even the purpose of "church" and "worship" being directed to man instead of God's glory. Instead of making disciples of the nations, the church service is focused on making converts. Instead of pleasing God, it's focused on entertaining man. Instead of renewing the minds of the faithful to be more conformed to the image of Christ, it's focused on being a temporary distraction to check a box.

Thankfully, God has preserved a remnant in this generation as He has in all generations that are faithful, with worship that is bible-centered and God-focused, and where the truth is proclaimed and the saints are built up. I encourage every Christian to seek out these congregations to join themselves with.