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re: Southern Baptist ban on women pastors fails in historic vote
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:41 pm to LSUbest
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:41 pm to LSUbest
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I don't think it is written in the law. I don't recall it being part of the law. If it is not, then it is not sin.
I think we’re getting closer to common ground. I agree it wasn’t and isn’t sin. I agree it was wise of Paul to correct the church in Corinth the way he did.
Where the deviation is is that his command was universal. Either way, it doesn’t change who Christ is, what he’s accomplished and the hope we have in him. That’s my point.
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:41 pm to Mo Jeaux
Nope.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:42 pm to JiminyCricket
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You’re dancing around it because you don’t want to admit that Paul’s advice to Corinth wasn’t law and is based on his wisdom for that church at that time. It wasn’t and isn’t a sin for a woman to teach.
Like I said, gaslight yourself if you want to. There are plenty of churches with women preachers, have at it. Im not gonna come force you to believe anything.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:45 pm to scottydoesntknow
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I dont know you, all I can see is your arguments. You share the same arguments with some pretty vile people with warped minds. Yes im being judgemental. You claim to be a believer, and im going to correct another believer when he is wrong.
You’re not supposed to correct other believers by being rude and name calling. You’ve assumed my other opinions without hearing them and utilized those biases to attack and label me. That’s not how Christ calls us to lovingly correct other believers.
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There are fringe things we can debate like where we are in the timeline post or pre millennial etc. This is not up for debate. Paul was very clear.
Let me ask you this, if I believe in Christ, his sacrifice, his resurrection and his offer of forgiveness for my sin as well as complete dependence upon him for my salvation but I also feel the women in ministry stuff is debatable, am I going to hell?
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:47 pm to LSUbest
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I don't think it is written in the law. I don't recall it being part of the law. If it is not, then it is not sin. What Paul wrote was not law, but wisdom. But a son say's this....Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Disobedience is a sin. If the Church's Paul wrote to had disobeyed his letters, it would have been a sin. Paul was ordained by God.
If God tells me, doing X is wise and I do Y, why should I expect a good result?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:48 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Like I said, gaslight yourself if you want to. There are plenty of churches with women preachers, have at it. Im not gonna come force you to believe anything.
Let me ask you this, if I believe in Christ, his sacrifice, his resurrection and his offer of forgiveness for my sin as well as complete dependence upon him for my salvation but I also feel the women in ministry stuff is debatable, am I going to hell?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:48 pm to Seldom Seen
Scripture is clear on the issue.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:49 pm to JiminyCricket
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Nope.
Yes, you are. Think about what you're saying. It's not law? That makes no sense. Taking your thought process to its logical conclusion, none of the Pauline Epistles really need to be followed because they were all directed to specific communities.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:50 pm to scottydoesntknow
So god did something sinful by having a woman teach in the OT?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:51 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Yes, you are. Think about what you're saying. It's not law?
Point out the OT portions of text that forbid women teaching. Theres a difference between wisdom we can draw from and interpretable timeframe and things that are black and white sin.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:51 pm to JiminyCricket
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You’re not supposed to correct other believers by being rude and name calling. You’ve assumed my other opinions without hearing them and utilized those biases to attack and label me. That’s not how Christ calls us to lovingly correct other believers.
Calling you feminist isnt name calling. You are making feminist arguments. Its absolutely not a stretch to call you a feminist. Regardless, how harshly I correct doesnt change whether the correction is warranted or not.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:53 pm to JiminyCricket
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I agree it was wise of Paul to correct the church in Corinth the way he did.
Paul's not here to correct us anymore, we have to hear and accept the word.
It's for us too.
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Where the deviation is is that his command was universal.
I think Paul was not issuing commandments, but what he would allow or not - to avoid problems, he was sharing wisdom.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:54 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Calling you feminist isnt name calling. You are making feminist arguments.
It’s a derogatory connotation and you know it is.
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Regardless, how harshly I correct doesnt change whether the correction is warranted or not.
Maybe not but Christ certainly had strong opinions about how we are to correct one another. You seem to be justifying your responses but assuming the worst motives possible for me. That’s hypocritical.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:54 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Yes, you are. Think about what you're saying. It's not law? That makes no sense. Taking your thought process to its logical conclusion, none of the Pauline Epistles really need to be followed because they were all directed to specific communities.
He conveniently leaves out that Paul
actually does clarify when something is his opinion and not an instruction he expects them to follow.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:55 pm to JiminyCricket
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Point out the OT portions of text that forbid women teaching. Theres a difference between wisdom we can draw from and interpretable timeframe and things that are black and white sin.
OT portions? Don't you consider yourself a Christian?
You're a very interesting guy. You seem to have a lot in common with a lot of heretical communities of the early church who seemed to hold the OT in much more esteem than early church teachings.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:55 pm to JiminyCricket
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Maybe not but Christ certainly had strong opinions about how we are to correct one another. You seem to be justifying your responses but assuming the worst motives possible for me. That’s hypocritical.
How did Jesus refer to the Pharisees?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:56 pm to LSUbest
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I think Paul was not issuing commandments, but what he would allow or not - to avoid problems, he was sharing wisdom.
I can deal with that. My view is that is was wise for that church at that time but I’m glad we can find common ground on the centrality of our faith which is Christ.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:57 pm to scottydoesntknow
………..now you’ve used Christ’s righteous anger with the heart of the Pharisees to justify your lashing out at me. That’s something else man.
I hope you are this zealous about all the sin in your life. Remember, as you judge, you shall also be judged and god sees everything you do.
I hope you are this zealous about all the sin in your life. Remember, as you judge, you shall also be judged and god sees everything you do.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:00 pm to Mo Jeaux
We were talking and referring to the law. The law was the Old Testament. That’s why I brought it up.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:05 pm to Seldom Seen
Only a matter of time until we have normal protestant churches and the gay alternatives
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