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re: Some thoughts on IQ
Posted on 7/29/25 at 8:39 pm to UtahCajun
Posted on 7/29/25 at 8:39 pm to UtahCajun
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It measure reasoning and problem solving only. Creativity and social intelligence is not measured at all.
I have a friend from High School/college who I would classify as a genius in the social intelligence aspect of the spectrum, a little above average everywhere else. This one person in my life made me understand a long time ago how far social intelligence can get you.
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 8:43 pm to Narax
I do wonder how many of those are regular full diplomas versus a certificate. Interesting data though nonetheless
Not all. Although rare some can have even a low average or average IQ. Also Those with Mosaic down syndrome typically have an IQ up to 30 points higher than those with typical down syndrome. Often those with mosaic don’t look like typical downs, but sometimes they do.
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A Person with Downs Syndrome will have an IQ between 50 and 70, many of them graduate HS, and sometimes college
Not all. Although rare some can have even a low average or average IQ. Also Those with Mosaic down syndrome typically have an IQ up to 30 points higher than those with typical down syndrome. Often those with mosaic don’t look like typical downs, but sometimes they do.
This post was edited on 7/29/25 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 7/29/25 at 8:54 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Not all. Although rare some can have even a low average or average IQ. Also Those with Mosaic down syndrome typically have an IQ up to 30 points higher than those with typical down syndrome. Often those with mosaic don’t look like typical downs, but sometimes they do.
Human are an interesting species.
I do think once someone reaches 6 or so learning ability is reasonably fixed.
And once that happens, societal outcomes are going to happen.
The main reason though I push back on the common idea around here (not by you) that IQ is genetic, is that:
We know some things increase/Decrease IQ. If this thread is still going tomorrow I do plan on dipping into that but some of those are nutrition and education as mentioned.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 9:01 pm to Narax
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If this thread is still going tomorrow I do plan on dipping into that but some of those are nutrition and education as mentioned.
Bump it with this kind of stuff. Looking forward to it.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 12:40 am to Captain Rumbeard
You realize people's IQs can increase, or decrease, over their lifetimes in certain stages, depending on environment (essentially the company they keep), right?
Psychology Today: No, Your IQ Is Not Constant
and I'll let that be a reminder to myself to not spend much time on this board...
Psychology Today: No, Your IQ Is Not Constant
and I'll let that be a reminder to myself to not spend much time on this board...
Posted on 7/30/25 at 4:19 am to 4cubbies
quote:The woman doesn't have to say yes. She says yes because she wants the easy path...
You probably vastly underestimate the number of times women are explicitly and implicitly propositioned by men in positions of authority.
If another guy in a postion of authority "explicitly or implicitly propositioned me at work", he'd be getting some dental work and I'd be looking for a new job.
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 8:01 am
Posted on 7/30/25 at 4:46 am to trader_tiger83
quote:It was not a "comment." It was a maieutic to help cubbies recognize the chauvinism inherent in her viewpoint.
And as a parent of daughters I find your edgy comment deplorable
But in addition to your misinterpretation of my post, and as a self-described father of daughters, I'd suggest you should be concerned by the continuous efforts to feminize society.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 5:30 am to Lee B
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You realize people's IQs can increase, or decrease, over their lifetimes in certain stages, depending on environment (essentially the company they keep), right?
That is something I want to get to.
Even things such as iron deficiency and then correction can bounce an IQ score 5 points.
There is a fascinating study how the iq of your friends at 10 predicts your iq at 15...
Posted on 7/30/25 at 5:47 am to Lee B
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You realize people's IQs can increase, or decrease, over their lifetimes in certain stages, depending on environment (essentially the company they keep), right
I disagree. But before you respond let me explain why I disagree.
To me when we are discussing IQ we need to remember that there is IQ the thing and there is IQ the tool that measures the thing. By that I mean your brain has certain capabilities. All of ours do. And some of our brains work better than others. And some of our brains work better than others in certain areas. There's a pretty good variety but the bottom line is even before being measured the brain has whatever capability it has
Then Along Comes the guy with a test. The test attempts to measure something that already exists independent of the test. Now I suspect we've gotten a lot better at conducting this measurement then maybe we were a long time ago but at the end of the day it's not a tremendously direct measurement. And there is no avoiding the fact that the measurement tool is partially measuring of the very factors you describe in your response. But I would argue the fact that those factors can change resulting in different measurements scores doesn't change whatever the underlying brain capability was
Sort of like measuring the height of a vase without knowing exactly where it's bottom is. Then measuring the height again next year and discovering the vase is taller without knowing that all that really happened was somebody put it on a higher wall.
So yes. If you have two somehow identical brains. One in a child born to great parents in a great environment and one born to a tribe in the middle of the Brazilian jungle you will probably get different measurement results quite obviously. But if you measure all of the Brazilian kids in that particular Community you'll still figure out who the smartest ones are for the most part
Posted on 7/30/25 at 5:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:From Howard University? All of them!
How many do you think have college degrees?
Posted on 7/30/25 at 6:14 am to Narax
quote:That gets more to complexities of measurement.
Even things such as iron deficiency and then correction can bounce an IQ score 5 points.
E.g., taking a test when fatigued, distracted, recently concussed, anemic etc. will yield artificially low results. Those really are different issues.
IQ can fluctuate slightly with age. But unless or until stroke, senility, etc. impact, lifetime IQ variance is not that significant, and ordered variance within an age cohort is nonexistent, for practical intent and purposes.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 6:35 am to UtahCajun
You do realize IQ is not the full measure of someone's intelligence? It measure reasoning and problem solving only. Creativity and social intelligence is not measured at all.
Partially correct.
Problem solving requires creativity, it’s been my experience that higher IQ levels are much better at “outside the box” thinking.
I would definitely agree social skills tend to be poor by comparison. Can be learned but most high IQ people find things that interest them more.
Partially correct.
Problem solving requires creativity, it’s been my experience that higher IQ levels are much better at “outside the box” thinking.
I would definitely agree social skills tend to be poor by comparison. Can be learned but most high IQ people find things that interest them more.
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 6:46 am
Posted on 7/30/25 at 6:45 am to DeathByTossDive225
quote:80 used to be an outlier and when I was growing up that was considered to be moron level.
IQ tests aren’t perfect, and standardized testing isn’t perfect — but I don’t think people realize how far out an outlier an 80 is lol.
Today? If Kamala’s is 82 (not surprised), it just goes to show how most schools really have stopped trying to develop it. They aren’t trying to push kids to grow, they’re trying to dumb them all down to the same level.
Intelligence can be developed, and I think we can all see it’s clearly being stunted. Thats where parents (and grandparents) have to step in and work on it at home.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 6:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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How many do you think have college degrees?
I teach in a college and do IQ research. I regularly see students with 80 IQs. They are usually in general studies, education, or exercise science. They never would have gotten into college 30 years ago but now we push them through at most public universities or small liberal arts colleges trying to not go bankrupt.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 6:48 am to LSUTANGERINE
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The Flynn effect is a real thing. That’s why standardized IQ tests are updated along with new normative data roughly every decade. As a whole, every generation is more “intelligent” than the previous.
Where can I see the standardized test data for ancient Romans?
Posted on 7/30/25 at 6:58 am to anc
Out of all the very smart indians out there... we had one of the defective ones.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 6:59 am to scottydoesntknow
quote:generally it dates back to the first standardized IQ tests. Early 1900s. It would first identified in the 80s. I should have been more precise in my initial post. There is evidence that it waxes and wanes. For example, at the least, there is more recent evidence that it is slowing down and some evidence that it is reversing.
Where can I see the standardized test data for ancient Romans?
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 7:02 am
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:00 am to Lee B
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and I'll let that be a reminder to myself to not spend much time on this board...
Would you like a daily popup reminder?
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:05 am to Narax
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That is something I want to get to. Even things such as iron deficiency and then correction can bounce an IQ score 5 points.
That is within the standard error of measurement. But no doubt iron deficiencies can decrease attention/concentration, which can in turn affect one’s performance on an IQ test
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:06 am to DTRooster
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you should know educated and intelligent are not the same thing
and having a degree =/= either.
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