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re: So why did the US have such an INITIAL testing failure, exactly?
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:21 pm to Tiguar
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:21 pm to Tiguar
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They were assuming there to be no community spread for some reason
that seems insane. the ONLY overly dangerous thing about this virus seems to be it's contagiousness
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The only reason we ever found out about the Washington nursing home was the doctors there defied the CDC recommendations and got tests anyway.
see i didn't know this. i assume it was private testing?
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I guess they just didn't want to run out of tests
if the nursing home doctor could order some, it wasn't about quantity. and we're talking sub-1000 quantity necessary for the initial surge
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:21 pm to Scruffy
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People will say their budget was cut, it wasn’t.
skyscreamers like texashorn believe it was though
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:22 pm to texashorn
quote:Yep.
The responsibility for the coronavirus test kit shortage appears to lie with the CDC’s choice to develop and distribute its own kit rather than use the one recommended by the World Health Organization, according to ProPublica. But the CDC’s tests didn’t work, falsely flagging harmless samples that contained viruses other than Covid-19.
The CDC fricked this entire situation.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:23 pm to cokebottleag
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Not sure if you're aware, but the past 20 years we've exported 99% of our medical manufacturing capacity to China, and they're holding back any exports to us.
This. It's actually going to get worse as prescription drug shortages start showing up.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:24 pm to BeeFense5
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skyscreamers like texashorn believe it was though
yeah i'm going to point a finger at government but not "Trump" specifically, at least for the majority of blame
how can our CDC fail so miserably? that seems to be the only real issue with how we have responded to the threat
once it got here, containment was impossible. we aren't Hong Kong or Singapore or Japan. we're a country that's 3000 miles long and 1500 miles wide
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
it's nuts. We have a few cases at my institution we are highly suspicious of but were told no by govt testing because they don't have a known contact.
Pretty easy to not have a known contact when you .. arent testing anyone. This is why I've been banging this drum the past week or so.
I know Kentucky's first positive case was denied testing twice before finally getting a test
Pretty easy to not have a known contact when you .. arent testing anyone. This is why I've been banging this drum the past week or so.
I know Kentucky's first positive case was denied testing twice before finally getting a test
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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once it got here, containment was impossible. we aren't Hong Kong or Singapore or Japan. we're a country that's 3000 miles long and 1500 miles wide
Not only that..Can you imagine the reaction if the "government" started destroying major roadway arteries and welding doors shut to "contain" like the Chinese?
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:25 pm to Tiguar
The presser Trump gave from the lab, yesterday I think, one of those guys with him said they were working under guidelines from the previous administration and that it had to be scrapped. Messed them all up.The media talked allover him and he got cut off before any details were spilled.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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how can our CDC fail so miserably? that seems to be the only real issue with how we have responded to the threat
wasn't it reported not too long ago that the CDC was waiting for China to share some information about the Wuhan virus and they delayed sharing it. I don't know the lingo all the big brained scientists use but I think it was some sort of sequencing of the virus the CDC was waiting on???
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:26 pm to BeeFense5
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Can you imagine the reaction if the "government" started destroying major roadway arteries and welding doors shut to "contain" like the Chinese?
oh yeah yesterday I almost made a thread titled
"It's funny that the party scared of Trump being fascist wants him to...be a fascist" but it was too long for the subject and i gave it up
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why weren't we testing sooner?
We decided to make our own test (as we have traditionally done over the past couple of decades for novel outbreaks), instead of piggyback on either or both of China's and S. Korea's testing. There are pros and cons to each course of action, leading us to:
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Do we know what the flaw in the original test was?
I don't think they're publishing the specifics, but some flaw in the materials use, but I'm not certain.
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Why weren't we testing more
Because of 1/2 above, we really didn't get started before February was gone.
Now, another thing (and this crisis is changing), CDC has had to let go of the reins they normally have - for a smaller (albeit more intense) exposure like Ebola or even SARS 1.0 or MERS, CDC could basically handle the testing in real time and could be confident in the results. This new, decentralized testing is probably going to cause them to be less provincial about these "outside their control" testing results simply because they don't have their thumb on it - their turf has been challenged and they're not 100% happy about it - this was forced by the situation and the White House.
We will be at S. Korea level testing soon enough.
Good news - we had a big headstart.
Bad news - we fumbled the opening kickoff.
news - we have found our footing again and on our way to being our normal, awesome, American selves before you know it.Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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"It's funny that the party scared of Trump being fascist wants him to...be a fascist"
There being truth to this statement points to the absolute lunacy of our current time.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
Ok, so originally the WHO tests that we refused had a very high false positive results. So we chose to develop our own test. The first round also experienced a lot of false positive results. Apparently that has been fixed and now it’s a matter of manufacturing and distributing the tests.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
We were given the wrong DNA sequence by China.
Shocking, I know.
Thankfully CDC caught it before they produced millions of test kits.
Shocking, I know.
Thankfully CDC caught it before they produced millions of test kits.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:28 pm to BIGFOOD
also worth mentioning there's some info going around that the doc at the nursing home who did the tests got a gag order from the CDC when they came back positive and she came out to the public about it anyway but I dunno how true that is exactly
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:29 pm to Poohter
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The presser Trump gave from the lab, yesterday I think, one of those guys with him said they were working under guidelines from the previous administration and that it had to be scrapped. Messed them all up.The media talked allover him and he got cut off before any details were spilled.
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“The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing, and we undid that decision a few days ago so that the testing can take place in a much more accurate and rapid fashion,” he told reporters during a White House meeting with airline executives, whom he had called to discuss the economic effects of the outbreak.
“That was a decision we disagreed with,” he said. “I don’t think we would have made it, but for some reason, it was made.” It was unclear what decision Trump was referring to. Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said private laboratories used to be able to develop clinical tests but “in the previous administration that became regulated. For someone to do that they had to file with the FDA”, Redfield said.
But experts on lab testing have said they are unaware of an Obama administration rule that would have hindered the use of tests developed at university or private labs in an emergency.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:29 pm to BeeFense5
I saw someone on Reddit that blamed the whole virus on Trump due to a ridiculous bastardized version of sliding doors theory. Said the affect of Trump's presidency was felt worldwide to where it led to markets like the ones in Wuhan. It was an absolute unit of a post 
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:29 pm to Ace Midnight
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Now, another thing (and this crisis is changing), CDC has had to let go of the reins they normally have - for a smaller (albeit more intense) exposure like Ebola or even SARS 1.0 or MERS, CDC could basically handle the testing in real time and could be confident in the results. This new, decentralized testing is probably going to cause them to be less provincial about these "outside their control" testing results simply because they don't have their thumb on it - their turf has been challenged and they're not 100% happy about it - this was forced by the situation and the White House.
well yeah i didn't think the CDC would be happy with testing outside of its domain being relied upon
that's just basic government vampirism/ego
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we have found our footing again and on our way to being our normal, awesome, American selves before you know it.
last night was an inflection point that disagrees fully with this point. it's only gotten worse today
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So why did the US have such a testing failure, exactly?
Well it was just a dem hoax until this week
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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how can our CDC fail so miserably? that seems to be the only real issue with how we have responded to the threat
Because centralized Gov is not very nimble. The CDC, generally, has a "we are better than the rest, so do not just adopt the rests' ideas" point of view. It is not alone in that. The FDA is notoriously slow at accepting drugs / treatments that other countries have already allowed, etc.
It is why I loathe a huge central gov with all of us depending upon them.
The ELECTED will often act too hastily because they are pandering...the BUREAUCRATS will act too slowly because they are protecting their positions and will not stick their necks out.
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