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Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:42 pm to Ace Midnight
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I think that will start to subside in 2 to 3 weeks. I can't see how it won't last that long now.
the problem is that the infections are going to spread and our country is REALLY big
it will be a headline as long as the DEMs think it hurts Trump, so any little incident/death can be the lead story for 2 days, which will then cause panic to set in again
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:42 pm to texashorn
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If the lack of private test development was blamed on a rule that Obama supposedly put in place
i didn't say this
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And if the argument is that it really didn’t cost any time, then why blame the supposed rule (and Obama)?
where did i?
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:43 pm to Tiguar
That’s true. I added more, which is the gist of my point.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:43 pm to Tiguar
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This isn't a defense, but sometimes you don't know a process is broke until it's put into action.
This has been a stress test for the CDC for sure. And a looming one for the FDA for their process for both experimental treatment and, particularly, rapid fielding of a novel vaccine for a novel viral threat.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:43 pm to Ace Midnight
God forbid something like Ebola was actually airborne/highly contagious.
We would, in fact, be fricked
We would, in fact, be fricked
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Trump blamed Obama for a CDC rule that he did not personally put in place, but Trump is immune (no pun intended):from any personal criticism in reference to the CDC?
I reject that.
I reject that.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:46 pm to Tiguar
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God forbid something like Ebola was actually airborne/highly contagious.
We would, in fact, be fricked
Nipah is a scary motherfricker, too
if one of those sorts of viruses did get THAT contagious, we'd shut the country down
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:47 pm to texashorn
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Trump blamed Obama for a CDC rule that he did not personally put in place, but Trump is immune (no pun intended):from any personal criticism in reference to the CDC?
you can take the partisanship to one of the other 10,000 partisan-based COVID-19 threads on here
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the problem is that the infections are going to spread and our country is REALLY big
If China got it under control in cold weather, we will get it under control in warm weather.
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will be a headline as long as the DEMs think it hurts Trump, so any little incident/death can be the lead story for 2 days
That won't work if the death count is really flat compared to infections/case count - the alarmist fear will be over. Right now, it is a literal unknown. A LOT more will be known in, again, 10 days, 2 weeks, whether this is SARS 2.0 or 1918 - more likely it will be similar to 2009 H1N1, but we will see soon enough.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Trump's travel ban {gave us time}. CDC squandered it.
Insofar as the CDC works for Trump, I guess you could hold Trump responsible.
The key to stopping spread is recognition of the disease.
The CDC knows that. It is basic, basic stuff.
The key to recognition is onsite immediate testing.
The CDC knows that. It is basic, basic stuff.
The CDC had a month to orchestrate wide-distribution of tests.
It screwed the pooch.
Not only were CDC COVID-19 tests under-requested/underproduced. They contained contaminated reagent which produced false positive results, and were all recalled. They pissed away all of the three weeks Trump's China travel bought them.
CDC's massive screw up is being investigated. So in terms of future response, hopefully such BS will never occur again.
Azar appeared on TV yesterday and seemed to be double-talking the CDC testing situation. That kind of response will get eaten up as duplicitous, and rightfully so. The CDC screwed up. OWN IT.
As James Sherman said, "You can’t go back and make a new start, but you can start right now and make a brand new ending." Azar and others in this Administration should heed Sherman's advice.
3/3/2020
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
You don’t want any answers, then. Sorry.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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other countries didn't have issues. HK, Singaopore, Japan, SK, etc. were much quicker with their initial testing
I'm guessing they sought, and obtained guidance from China. Rumors have it that China wasn't as cooperative with the US
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:53 pm to texashorn
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You don’t want any answers, then.
blaming Trump or Obama isn't giving any answers
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:54 pm to RobbBobb
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. Rumors have it that China wasn't as cooperative with the US
well considering the other "rumors" (aka lies and talking points) about China posted in this thread, i'd take it with a grain of salt
China destroying the US economy will only hurt China when it gets back up and wanting to make goods
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
It’s called background. Trump was busy blaming Obama while his administration dropped the ball.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:54 pm to texashorn
You are weirdly fixated on trying to blame trump
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you can take the partisanship to one of the other 10,000 partisan-based COVID-19 threads on here
If anything this only reinforces distrust by folks of all political stripes of the "establishment" - the "bureaucratic state", what have you.
These sorts of organizations are populated by largely well-meaning, capable citizens, but sometimes a culture sets in - the "we know best" attitude that seems to pervade the CDC that will now have to change in the wake of this crisis. In a rare twist, political pressures and public opinion will work to actually improve (IMHO) the work of this very important agency.
The CDC is a world leader on infectious disease control - similar to our FDA, they are the "go to" reference agency for nations without such a robust capability. With that competence and proven performance (as with many elite performers in science, sports, business), a certainty sets in that their way is not only the right way, but the only way. That zealotry will change in response to this crisis and we will have better government because of it.
The problems predated and exist outside Trump, Obama, W, Clinton, etc.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:55 pm to BeeFense5
And Trump was weirdly fixated on blaming Obama.
See how this works?
See how this works?
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:57 pm to texashorn
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And Trump was weirdly fixated on blaming Obama.
See how this works?
I'm RA'ing your posts about Trump/Obama now
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