re: So The Same "God" That Allows Pedophiles To Run Rampant In His Churches Is Going To Assist

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We have had this discussion before and you cannot support your statement.

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I support my statement every bit as much as you ever do.

Your problem is that "trust me, bro" will never be compelling.

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You bring nothing to these discussions except childish contrarianism (saying the equivalent of “nuh uh”) so you can sit this one out, sport.

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Says the dude who believes in literal fairly tales, and offers up little more than religion fueled "nuh uh."

Nothing more willfully ignorant than putting blame on God for the actions of people God sacrificed His only Son to save them from themselves, knowing full well that most would reject Him anyway, and here you are, doing the very same, and placing our own actions on God, just as Satan placed the blame on God, and just as Eve passed the buck, and Adam did afterward on Eve.

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Great, so why doesn't this higher being stop what is going on in his places of worship?

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While I don't know why specific evils are allowed to happen, there are several reasons why He allows evil to occur.

Ultimately all things happen for God's glory, and He works all things to that end, both good and bad. When judgement comes on the wicked, He is glorified by His people. When He takes His people home to be with Him in death, He is glorified by those in His presence in Heaven.

God may allow evil to demonstrate His wrath and justice. All people are free to act in accordance with their natures, and by default, our natures are sinful. When we sin, we have no one to blame but ourselves because we do what we want to do. However, such sin incurs judgement. God demonstrates His power and authority through judgement, punishing people in this life in various ways, and punishing the unrepentant to everlasting damnation. If a priest or pastor is actually a wolf in shepherd's clothing, his judgement will be far worse than any temporary abuse done to any of his flock, no matter how evil such actions may be.

God's judgement through the allowance of evil may be for the punishment of the victim or the punishment of the perpetrator, or both. God used wicked nations to punish the nation of Israel for her idolatry and wickedness and then turned around and punished those judging nations for their actions against Israel, because though God meant such judgement for good, the ones perpetrating the judgement did so for their own evil intentions.

God also allows evil for our good. Like a father who disciplines his child for his own good, or who who allows a difficult situation to occur for the growth and development of his child, God likewise allows evil in our own lives for our spiritual growth and maturity and for seeking Him and the salvation He offers through Jesus Christ. Many people have come to faith in Jesus through hardships in this life, seeking the eternal hope as a remedy for the temporary hardships in this life. The reason Jesus said it's difficult for a rich man to go to Heaven is because he typically has it easy in this life and can buy whatever he wants to avoid hardships; he is relying upon his money for his happiness and wellbeing and not on God. Evil actions performed against us can remind us that this life is not all there is and we can hope in God's justice in the life to come, as well as for the peace and everlasting life that we have in Christ.

The most evil and wicked action that has ever occurred is the murder of the very Son of God, Jesus Christ. God allowed wicked men to perform that act so that He could show mercy to His people through the payment of sin on the cross. He allowed an evil act to occur to judge the wickedness of Israel and to save people from their sins. There were multiple purposes for allowing and even ordaining such an act to happen, and yet for those who trust in the Lord, that evil is for their good.



While the Christian can see purpose--and even good purpose--in the existence of evil (ultimately all evil is allowed for a greater and sufficiently good purpose), the atheist has to wrestle with not just why evil exists, but how evil can exist at all without an objective moral standard to identify evil as evil. You know experientially and emotionally that evil exists, but logically you cannot account for it in your naturalistic atheism. There cannot be any objective evil because there cannot be an objective law or standard given to humans to judge an act as good or evil. Since there is no law-giver, there is no law.

Likewise, since there is no judge, there is no judgement. The actions that happen in this life would have no meaning or purpose, and because they aren't a violation of any sort of cosmic law, there is is no judgement or recompense to come. An act cannot be "evil" objectively, but it can be harmful and unpleasant. What is to happen to those who do such things? Potentially nothing. If a person lives a long life, having stolen from others to enrich himself, having raped others to satisfy his own lusts, and having murdered others for his advancement, then if he dies in the peace of his bed, there is no justice for him. That is the story of many people, who live lives of evil but who die the same as the person who lives a life of self-sacrifice and good. Without God, there is no judgement.

Atheism has a problem of evil in that it cannot rationally define what it is, cannot provide a rational justification for its existence, and cannot provide a rational condemnation of it. All the atheist can rationally do is say that some things occur in this life that can result in a feeling of unpleasantness, and that they do not personally like that unpleasantness, but cannot say that such unpleasantness if objectively wrong or "should" be avoided or stopped. All the atheist has is mere preference.

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You're ridiculed for statements like this, not for your beliefs.

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* We now have documented science about a flood to the depth of 2 world trade centers
* And also documented science that this flood occurred approximately 7500 to 8600 years ago
* We also have documented anthropology that traces modern civilization sprouting from the fertile crescent

But you think its simply 'primitive writings' that related how mankind ended up in that fertile crescent region, due to construction of a large boat inspired by an omniscient being?

Thats quite a leap from "there is no science" for Bible fables.

Everything in "their book" happened, and in exactly the area of the world they said it did. All you have to do is look at a globe and see that the continents were once connected. Because they fit like pieces of a slide puzzle. The only known scientific force on Earth capable of driving those bodies of land apart, is water. So it wasnt just ' a flood', it was 'a great flood'

Yet somehow the book that documented this happening in real time 7000 years ago (the age of the Torah), just made it all up

Same.

Trust me, Bro. There was a flood, Bro.

They wrote something that happened down, Bro. That's God's work right there, Bro. Trust me, Bro.

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They were able to write it down, only because they survived it

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That doesn't mean they experienced it on a giant boat that a god told them to build.

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Glad we agree

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We definitely agree that you're delusional enough to belief a banality is proof of your god.

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I don’t see how that changes anything.

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Sorting for Heaven/Hell is doable. A Tsunami hitting a village and killing 80% of its inhabitants doesn't have the same sort of purposeful hand guiding it.

Hell is meant to be a punishment, our life on Earth not so much (lots of people aren't being killed by said Tsunami despite carrying at least one sin).

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Not really. You’re taking what amounts to opinions and calling them moral codes. You can call an opinion a moral code if you choose to but it doesn’t make it true. Morality is the determination of right and wrong. Without a baseline to examine situations, you’re simply giving an opinion and calling it morality.

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Yes, and?

Taste is subjective too. Still, I'll bet a lot of money there are dozens of places that sell ice cream near you and precisely zero that sell dog shite on a cone.

Why is that? How could humanity ever figure out such a thing without an objective taste God to reveal to us what we should, and should not, eat?