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re: so media is saying the video disproves Ahmad was a burglar
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:55 pm to Azkiger
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:55 pm to Azkiger
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The fact this went 2 months before these guys were arrested screams that further investigation is needed in how this was handled.
I should also point out that there aren't a whole lot of people on this board more cynical of how authorities handle shite than I am.
If it turns out that the DA just basically buddy walked two white dudes with no valid reason to do so, you won't see me say anything but hang his arse too.
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:56 pm to ShortyRob
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I mean. I'm sorry. Shouldn't we all know we can't trust that the media would have fully vetted your questions at this point?
Of course
But the media didn't release the video. The video tells us a lot.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:56 pm to the808bass
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Well, I’ll add that no burglary was reported that day.
I read there was a 911 call immediately before this instance reporting someone in the construction site.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:57 pm to Powerman
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It's more along the lines of these people being both country and dumb. And I think we have plenty of evidence to at least say they're dumb. And they appear to be country as well.
Eh... I wonder if the defense "I don't call well dressed blacks the N word, only the ones who are dressed and act like gangstas." would work... Probably not. In that case I don't think adding on qualifiers that distinguish whites from other whites as justification for using a pejorative that's aimed at whites.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:57 pm to The Maj
quote:Absolutely.
And both the rednecks and the brother can be in the wrong at the same time
Frankly, I think this ends in a manslaughter conviction as long as media pressure doesn't force some Prosecutor to seek a Murder conviction and then end up losing altogether.
Where it might get pretty interesting is once we figure out who actually pulled the trigger? Cause, if one of them didn't pull the trigger at all, that guy might have a better defense.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:58 pm to Powerman
quote:It's 15 seconds long give or take.
But the media didn't release the video. The video tells us a lot.
It is informative.
It leaves out A LOT
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:59 pm to ShortyRob
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So. For clarity.
If a person not from your area stole from your neighborhood and was caught for it...……...then, later, you saw that same person running down your street...………..you'd be like, "meh, probably jogging this time?"
not pointed at me, but i’ll answer.
there is a guy that has been caught MANY times for stealing in my neighborhood.
I’ve seen him on his bike MANY times since.
you know how many times i’ve shot him?
zero.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:59 pm to imjustafatkid
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I read there was a 911 call immediately before this instance reporting someone in the construction site.
The 911 call would need to be from either the father or the son, and you'd need stolen goods in the jogger's possession.
They better have something up their sleeve that shows the jogger committed a felony or they're looking at first degree murder.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:01 pm to ShortyRob
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Frankly, I think this ends in a manslaughter conviction as long as media pressure doesn't force some Prosecutor to seek a Murder conviction and then end up losing altogether.
I'm reading from lawyers in Georgia the fact that they were chasing him around, set up their truck in front of him, and tried to use firearms to detain him, it could been seen as attempted kidnapping (since they had not legal reason to detain him - as of now there's no felony).
A death in relation to an attempted kidnapping, no matter the scenario, is first degree murder. Example: You try and kidnap a kid and they run into traffic trying to avoid you. That's first degree murder on your part even though you were not driving the car that killed the kid.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:01 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:So, he's common to your neighborhood
there is a guy that has been caught MANY times for stealing in my neighborhood. I’ve seen him on his bike MANY times since.
I'm sure you think you had a point...……….whoops
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:03 pm to ShortyRob
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so media is saying the video disproves Ahmad was a burglar by ShortyRob
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This has ZERO bearing on the events that lead to his death. They didnt see him commit a crime. Period. It's factual.
So. For clarity.
If a person not from your area stole from your neighborhood and was caught for it...……...then, later, you saw that same person running down your street...………..you'd be like, "meh, probably jogging this time?"
Had he been convicted of stealing in that neighborhood?
If not, STFU.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:03 pm to ShortyRob
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Where it might get pretty interesting is once we figure out who actually pulled the trigger? Cause, if one of them didn't pull the trigger at all, that guy might have a better defense.
Eh, they instigated the confrontation that resulted in the death. I really do not see either walking on this one unless something earth shattering is shown that we have not seen...
That is where I draw the line on this, there was no urgency for these men to confront this individual, regardless of what they thought he had done. They knew who he was apparently and could have reported his presence to the authorities and allowed them to pick him up without incident.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:04 pm to ShortyRob
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So, he's common to your neighborhood
I'm sure you think you had a point...……….whoops
Has it been proven false the reporting that this guy lived in the area and often jogged in the nieghborhood?
I may have only read that on here, not even in a report or article.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:04 pm to Azkiger
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I'm reading from lawyers in Georgia the fact that they were chasing him around, set up their truck in front of him, and tried to use firearms to detain him, it could been seen as attempted kidnapping (since they had not legal reason to detain him - as of now there's no felony). A death in relation to an attempted kidnapping, no matter the scenario, is first degree murder. Example: You try and kidnap a kid and they run into traffic trying to avoid you. That's first degree murder on your part even though you were not driving the car that killed the kid.
Interesting legal approach.
There better not end up being any substantial and KNOWN personal character land mines for the victim if they go that route because no matter how many people say, "meh, doesn't matter", a jury will think it matters.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:05 pm to ShortyRob
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It leaves out A LOT
But in the context of the documentation we do have, it tells us the police report is not accurate, and it tells use that the description the second DA used to justify why he was choosing not to convene a grand jury in early April was, at best, not entirely accurate. Orphaned of that context it can be read a lot of ways. But within the framework of the evidence we have as a matter of public record, it suggests either massive incompetency or something much worse on the part of authorities, who were seemingly pressured by the release of the video to invite outside authorities to investigate.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:05 pm to GRTiger
quote:I thought they said he was from the other side of the interstate and at this point, I've seen nothing that said he commonly ran in that particular neighborhood.
Has it been proven false the reporting that this guy lived in the area and often jogged in the nieghborhood?
Although, yes. If it turns out that he routinely runs in that particular neighborhood, that will be VERY bad for the country boys.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:08 pm to ShortyRob
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I thought they said he was from the other side of the interstate and at this point, I've seen nothing that said he commonly ran in that particular neighborhood.
He jogging was routine enough just north of that neighborhood, in Fancy Bluff, that he was recognized, which turns into Satilla Dr. south of US-17. There is more evidence of jogging than we have evidence that he was involved in anything more than trespassing.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:08 pm to The Maj
quote:No, I didn't mean necessarily that one would walk.
Eh, they instigated the confrontation that resulted in the death. I really do not see either walking on this one unless something earth shattering is shown that we have not seen...
But, I could see different results between the two if only one shot.
quote:Personally I agree.
That is where I draw the line on this, there was no urgency for these men to confront this individual,
The video tells me that they had sight of him. I also know they had 911 on the phone. There was no immediate need to detain him.
Also, as I type, it occurs to me at this very moment that since they have him on video...……...if they knew who he was specifically...……..it works against them.
Because they can't use "we were afraid he'd get way".
Cause if he got away, had committed a crime...….and the cops showed up...…..they could just say, "We saw Ahmad"
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:10 pm to GRTiger
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Has it been proven false the reporting that this guy lived in the area and often jogged in the nieghborhood?
I may have only read that on here, not even in a report or article.
There's a quote in The Guardian from someone who lives just north of this particular neighborhood that he did jog regularly in the area. I believe I linked it earlier in this thread.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:11 pm to crazy4lsu
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But within the framework of the evidence we have as a matter of public record, it suggests either massive incompetency or something much worse on the part of authorities, who were seemingly pressured by the release of the video to invite outside authorities to investigate.
Incompetency is probably the best case scenario with that DA. It sadly looks like there is a good chance there was an attempt at a cover up. Look at their story in the police report, it would seem they said all of the right things for citizens arrest and self-defense; compare that to the video and it doesn't add up. Were they coached on what to say in the police report thinking no video would come out?
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