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re: so media is saying the video disproves Ahmad was a burglar
Posted on 5/8/20 at 2:44 pm to Bham Bammer
Posted on 5/8/20 at 2:44 pm to Bham Bammer
quote:
Who gives a shite if he was a burglar? You don’t chase a guy down with guns and take matters into your own hands.
Normally I would agree with this statement without reservation.
The problem is - it is going to be a major race story. This isn't a race story. It's an idiot story.
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 2:46 pm to Bham Bammer
quote:
Who gives a shite if he was a burglar?
The law, as it does allow for you to attempt a citizen's arrest if you witness someone committing a felony.
Like it or hate it, that's the current law in Georgia. So again, it matters quite a bit.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 2:47 pm to crazy4lsu
Not defending the shooters but what do you mean by “where is the stolen stuff?”
I mean, I think that I know what you are asking but it is such a retarded thing to ask that I want to make sure that I am not misunderstanding what you are asking.
Let’s say you were a thief who steals items from houses under construction as well as low hanging fruit like unlocked cars. Let’s say that while you are in the act of stealing or searching for something to steal, you get noticed by a couple of guys and decide to bug out. Let’s also assume that you have to run down a road to distance yourself from the scene. Now, you know that you have been made and hope to just get away without further incident and attention. You know that there is at least a good chance that the men who made you are going to pursue so that they can have eyes on you to direct the police to your location. In that moment, when your heart is racing and you know it’s time to get the hell out of dodge, you are going to pick up some items and run down the street with them? Really? You don’t understand why someone wouldn’t be carrying the evidence to incriminate them after they have been made?
The guy should never have been shot. The McMichaels were dreadfully wrong in their actions and how it escalated. They are to blame.
It’s just dumbass questions like yours that astounds me.
I mean, I think that I know what you are asking but it is such a retarded thing to ask that I want to make sure that I am not misunderstanding what you are asking.
Let’s say you were a thief who steals items from houses under construction as well as low hanging fruit like unlocked cars. Let’s say that while you are in the act of stealing or searching for something to steal, you get noticed by a couple of guys and decide to bug out. Let’s also assume that you have to run down a road to distance yourself from the scene. Now, you know that you have been made and hope to just get away without further incident and attention. You know that there is at least a good chance that the men who made you are going to pursue so that they can have eyes on you to direct the police to your location. In that moment, when your heart is racing and you know it’s time to get the hell out of dodge, you are going to pick up some items and run down the street with them? Really? You don’t understand why someone wouldn’t be carrying the evidence to incriminate them after they have been made?
The guy should never have been shot. The McMichaels were dreadfully wrong in their actions and how it escalated. They are to blame.
It’s just dumbass questions like yours that astounds me.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 2:48 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
The problem is - it is going to be a major race story. This isn't a race story. It's an idiot story.
I'm reminded of how often in the last 30 years I've remarked at how people are basically incapable of seeing a negative interaction involving a black and a white and considering anything but racism on the part of the white person.
I've had shitty service from waitresses plenty of times in my life. But, when a black person gets crappy service from a white waitress, it's "cause I'm black".
I think this creates a very odd world for young black kids to grow up in. A world where EVERYTHING that happens negative in their lives can be immediately accounted for by some nefarious ism outside of themselves.
We're staring to see it with women too. And, gays. Etc.
I don't get to pass off all the bad shite that happens in my life to something outside of me. I always have to consider that I might have played a role in the outcome.
But, we teach black kids on a daily basis that they need do no such thing.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 2:51 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Nah
If he had a history of stealing, especially of stealing from that particular neighborhood and those involved knew it, I'm starting to care.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 2:54 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Nah
Nah to what?
That it wouldn't matter, or that he didn't have the history?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 2:56 pm to Steadmans Cheddar
quote:
You raised questions that you explicitly acknowledged were “irrelevant.” Did you want a pat on the back?
All I was doing is pointing out the same thing that the OP was pointing out. At this point there is all kinds of information that we do not know, and can't know, from the available information.
You frickheads want to paint anyone who hasn't already tried, convicted, and executed these assholes in their own mind, as racist rednecks, despicable, etc. Apparently the irony that you frickwads are essentially doing exactly what Bubba and Bubba Jr. did, is lost on you fricking geniuses.
If what we imagine has happened is in fact what happened, myself, and I suspect many of the other posters you fricking assholes have jumped on like flies on shite for simply stating we have very little info to draw concrete conclusions from, would most likely be perfectly fine with the death penalty for the fricks that did it. If you guys could just get your big fricking boners out of your eyes for a second, you might see it.
Y'all have a nice day. That's enough internet idiocy for me today.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 2:57 pm to ShortyRob
quote:This isn't hard to understand. Even if you completely ignore any potential racism at the level of the actual shooting incident, you simply cannot at the LE level.
I'm reminded of how often in the last 30 years I've remarked at how people are basically incapable of seeing a negative interaction involving a black and a white and considering anything but racism on the part of the white person.
I've had shitty service from waitresses plenty of times in my life. But, when a black person gets crappy service from a white waitress, it's "cause I'm black".
I think this creates a very odd world for young black kids to grow up in. A world where EVERYTHING that happens negative in their lives can be immediately accounted for by some nefarious ism outside of themselves.
We're staring to see it with women too. And, gays. Etc.
I don't get to pass off all the bad shite that happens in my life to something outside of me. I always have to consider that I might have played a role in the outcome.
But, we teach black kids on a daily basis that they need do no such thing.
Anyone who thinks that, if you reversed the races in that county, that the shooter would still not be charged and just out free MONTHS after the incident is just not living in reality.
There can be a racial component that doesn't consist of "we're out to get black people". It's more just "this is not how a black person would be processed through the system".
Also, if the races were reversed and it turned out the shooter wasn't charged, there WOULD STILL BE a national story.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:02 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
This isn't hard to understand. Even if you completely ignore any potential racism at the level of the actual shooting incident, you simply cannot at the LE level.
Which is why in all of these threads, I've said that if I had to bet money on the outcome, I'd say they go to jail and would deserve it.
quote:Meh. I mean, I obviously will not deny the possibility. But, I also don't know any of the details of what went down with the DA. And, neither do you. But sure. I'll grant that it's likely that if reversed, charges would have come quicker.
Anyone who thinks that, if you reversed the races in that county, that the shooter would still not be charged and just out free MONTHS after the incident is just not living in reality.
quote:Sure.
There can be a racial component that doesn't consist of "we're out to get black people". It's more just "this is not how a black person would be processed through the system".
quote:
Also, if the races were reversed and it turned out the shooter
Oh come the frick on. That's just sheer fantasy. Literally ZERO major media would have covered it in even slightly the same way. If it became a national story, it would only be because it went viral in some way. Watchers of CNN wouldn't even know it happened.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:29 pm to Dick Leverage
quote:
Let’s say you were a thief who steals items from houses under construction as well as low hanging fruit like unlocked cars. Let’s say that while you are in the act of stealing or searching for something to steal, you get noticed by a couple of guys and decide to bug out. Let’s also assume that you have to run down a road to distance yourself from the scene. Now, you know that you have been made and hope to just get away without further incident and attention. You know that there is at least a good chance that the men who made you are going to pursue so that they can have eyes on you to direct the police to your location. In that moment, when your heart is racing and you know it’s time to get the hell out of dodge, you are going to pick up some items and run down the street with them? Really? You don’t understand why someone wouldn’t be carrying the evidence to incriminate them after they have been made?
You understand that this was his 3rd time in the neighborhood, at the minimum. You understand that there were no reports of anything stolen at all? You understand that continuing to insist that he stole something, absent of evidence that we have, is insane? You understand that the police report and the memo from the DA mention nothing stolen either? You understand that the owner of the house who has him on camera has said the footage only shows him trespassing?
quote:
It’s just dumbass questions like yours that astounds me.
You just invented a non-applicable scenario and then call me the dumbass. The initial police report quotes McMichael himself saying that this is the 3rd interaction between himself and the victim. There were no police reports made between January 2nd and February 23rd of anything being stolen. We have more proof that the victim was an actual jogger than we have proof he actually stole anything. Catch up to the thread and you'll see.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:42 pm to Azkiger
quote:
The law, as it does allow for you to attempt a citizen's arrest if you witness someone committing a felony.
Like it or hate it, that's the current law in Georgia. So again, it matters quite a bit.
Well, given these two bozos didn’t witness him committing a felony (by their own words), that doesn’t fly here.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:44 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
I'm reminded of how often in the last 30 years I've remarked at how people are basically incapable of seeing a negative interaction involving a black and a white and considering anything but racism on the part of the white person.
I've had shitty service from waitresses plenty of times in my life. But, when a black person gets crappy service from a white waitress, it's "cause I'm black".
I think this creates a very odd world for young black kids to grow up in. A world where EVERYTHING that happens negative in their lives can be immediately accounted for by some nefarious ism outside of themselves.
We're staring to see it with women too. And, gays. Etc.
I don't get to pass off all the bad shite that happens in my life to something outside of me. I always have to consider that I might have played a role in the outcome.
But, we teach black kids on a daily basis that they need do no such thing.
Well said.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:49 pm to Strannix
Let's assume all of the following facts:
1. Ahmad was a burgler.
2. Ahmad was in possession of stolen goods.
3. The people making the citizens arrest witnessed the burglary.
4. Ahmad shouted out loud that he had committed the burglary and that he can't wait to keep on burglaring!
Still murder to shoot him the way they did. There's no set of facts I can imagine that would produce that video and not have the two guys in the truck guilty of manslaughter at the minimum.
1. Ahmad was a burgler.
2. Ahmad was in possession of stolen goods.
3. The people making the citizens arrest witnessed the burglary.
4. Ahmad shouted out loud that he had committed the burglary and that he can't wait to keep on burglaring!
Still murder to shoot him the way they did. There's no set of facts I can imagine that would produce that video and not have the two guys in the truck guilty of manslaughter at the minimum.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:50 pm to Bham Bammer
quote:
Well, given these two bozos didn’t witness him committing a felony (by their own words), that doesn’t fly here.
Even if they had, you can't use deadly force to perform a citizen's arrest outside your home, especially not when the perp is fleeing and no longer a threat to you.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:52 pm to Strannix
quote:
so media is saying the video disproves Ahmad was a burglar
Who is saying that and why would anyone need to "disprove" he was a burglar?
Even if he is a burglar, the father son duo didn't know that and it doesn't justify them hunting him down and murdering him.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:55 pm to MadtownTiger
quote:At what point and after how long of 2 dudes following you with guns out do you decide you need to fight for your life?
Also why did he initiate the fight?
Basically a rhetorical question, but the answer is at some point you absolutely will decide you need to fight for your life.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 6:33 pm to ShortyRob
quote:1. Was the victim caught stealing in the neighborhood before?
If a person not from your area stole from your neighborhood and was caught for it...……...then, later, you saw that same person running down your street...………..you'd be like, "meh, probably jogging this time?"
2. To answer your question...I wouldn't grab my gun, and call for my buddy to grab his gun, then chase him down, then have my other buddy chase him too so we can corner him, then get out of my truck with my gun to wait so I can confront him. Those are all things I would not do, so I'm not sure where you're going with that one.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 6:35 pm to Bham Bammer
quote:
Well, given these two bozos didn’t witness him committing a felony (by their own words), that doesn’t fly here.
Agreed, but the outcome of this case at least partially hinges on a fact that people are saying doesn't matter or they don't care about.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 6:42 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Wait, what?
So, he's common to your neighborhood
I'm sure you think you had a point...……….whoops
In another post you insinuated he was convicted of doing something in this neighborhood before, but now you point out that the poster's example is different because the victim was NOT common to the neighborhood?
Whoops!!!
Also, what makes you say he wasn't common to the neighborhood, how do you know that?
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