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re: So it's okay for Trump to do what so many of you complained about Obama?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:05 pm to hawkeye007
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:05 pm to hawkeye007
Article 4, Section 4, US Constitution:
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Trump's emergency declaration is to force the legislature to fulfill a constitutional mandate which it has ignored for decades. A mandate which protects American citizens, protects the sovereignty of the United States, and will save hundreds of millions of dollars that are spent each year supporting illegal aliens who have no right to be here, much less be supported by the American taxpayer.
Feel free to post up any of Obama's executive orders or emergency declarations that even sniff these parameters.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Trump's emergency declaration is to force the legislature to fulfill a constitutional mandate which it has ignored for decades. A mandate which protects American citizens, protects the sovereignty of the United States, and will save hundreds of millions of dollars that are spent each year supporting illegal aliens who have no right to be here, much less be supported by the American taxpayer.
Feel free to post up any of Obama's executive orders or emergency declarations that even sniff these parameters.
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:07 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Declaring Election Day a National Holiday is a "Power Grab"
Who the hell tried to make this point??
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:07 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Declaring Election Day a National Holiday is a "Power Grab"
Disagree
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Declaring a National Emergency to get funding for a {matter of national security} you couldn't get funded through congress, isn't.
Agree
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:09 pm to troyt37
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The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
This says that the United States shall protect the states against invasion. It does not give the president authority to act outside of Separation of Powers.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:14 pm to RazorBroncs
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Who the hell tried to make this point??
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:18 pm to hawkeye007
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Years of complaints of Obama's executive orders
Hang on.... I thought trump was setting the precedent?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:19 pm to CleverUserName
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Years of complaints of Obama's executive orders
Hang on.... I thought trump was setting the precedent?
We're gonna fling em all at the wall and see which narrative sticks best.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:20 pm to hawkeye007
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So it's okay for Trump to do what so many of you complained about Obama?
Trump's a globalist pussy wearing mom jeans?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:21 pm to lalouisiane
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This says that the United States shall protect the states against invasion. It does not give the president authority to act outside of Separation of Powers
My arse. There is statute after statute that says the president has the power to do this, at his discretion. The President speaks and acts for the United States every damn day.
Separation of powers doesn't have a damn thing to do with pissing on a Constitutional mandate. Neither the President, nor the legislature, nor the judiciary, has the right, power, or the option to piss on the US Constitution!
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:21 pm to hawkeye007
The precedent had already been set.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:27 pm to troyt37
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There is statute after statute that says the president has the power to do this, at his discretion.
Democrats:
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:27 pm to lalouisiane
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It does not give the president authority to act outside of Separation of Powers.
You're right. Congress expressly granted that authority to the president. If you don't like it, sue. Let the USSC rule on it.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:27 pm to Green Chili Tiger
I hadn't heard that McConnell made that argument but it's stupid. I'm not a McConnell supporter though, nor am I much of a fan of congress, so that's kind of apples and oranges here.
Congress didn't do its' job here, and I think most can agree to at least that much. It became Pelosi and Schumer holding both parties - and Trump - hostage. The likes of McConnell and the other repubs didn't do enough either.
Trump did the only thing he - and only he - could do. I won't ever fault him for that. I never complained about Obama doing it either, for the record; I could find plenty of other faults without. EOs are just part of the job.
Congress didn't do its' job here, and I think most can agree to at least that much. It became Pelosi and Schumer holding both parties - and Trump - hostage. The likes of McConnell and the other repubs didn't do enough either.
Trump did the only thing he - and only he - could do. I won't ever fault him for that. I never complained about Obama doing it either, for the record; I could find plenty of other faults without. EOs are just part of the job.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:29 pm to CleverUserName
did Obama declare a national emergency that i missed?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:30 pm to hawkeye007
Negative. I didn’t like when Obama did it and I don’t like that Trump has done it.
I agree we need something done at the border but this isn’t the way to do it. No matter democrat or republican president.
I agree we need something done at the border but this isn’t the way to do it. No matter democrat or republican president.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:30 pm to hawkeye007
Apparently you missed it - he did.
See the reference to Flint's drinking water for reference, for one.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:31 pm to hawkeye007
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did Obama declare a national emergency that i missed?
Only 13 of them
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:32 pm to NorthGwinnett LSU
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I agree we need something done at the border but this isn’t the way to do it. No matter democrat or republican president.
This is the correct answer.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:35 pm to hawkeye007
quote:Wait! IYO, was it appropriate for Obama?
So it's okay for Trump to do what so many of you complained about Obama?
If so, and you certainly claimed it to be so, WTF do you care now?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:35 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Democrats:
As if...
The precedent argument is the dumbest. It would be one thing if no president had ever declared a state of emergency.
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