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re: So it's okay for Trump to do what so many of you complained about Obama?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:54 pm to hawkeye007
Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:54 pm to hawkeye007
"Obama's executive orders" or un-official orders to send 150 billion to Iran somehow equals a few billion for a wall. Hummm...
150 billion bought us nothing but trouble while a wall will save lives. Yeah, sounds like something a libtard would come up with.
Is your hate for Repubs & Trump REALLY so great that you'd rather see your fellow Americans killed than them to get this done?
I hope every MS-13 member in the states has his way with your anal orifice.
150 billion bought us nothing but trouble while a wall will save lives. Yeah, sounds like something a libtard would come up with.
Is your hate for Repubs & Trump REALLY so great that you'd rather see your fellow Americans killed than them to get this done?
I hope every MS-13 member in the states has his way with your anal orifice.
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:55 pm to hawkeye007
The country is under seige by illegals and the swamp. Extreme measures are needed.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:57 pm to hawkeye007
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Years of complaints of Obama's executive orders and Trump fires off this EMD and everyone is happy? He is raiding Military funds when he talk so much about our depleted underfunded military ? This is a bad idea and sets a hell of a precedent and will end up in a court battle he might will not win.
Did Obama follow the Constitution when he made Executive orders relative to the purpose of the Federal Government?
Obama pushed for the Affordable Care Act, which is unconstitutional...
Scalia said as much "it's water under the bridge" with a smile
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:00 pm to hawkeye007
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So it's okay for Trump to do what so many of you complained about Obama?
Not going to try to reason with anyone that supports the murder and rape of children.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:26 pm to RazorBroncs
quote:And I am completely baffled that you think "cannot get passed through Congress" is not EXACTLY the same thing as "cannot get past the Speaker of the House and the Senate Minority Leader." When trying to get something "passed through Congress," you MUST work with the leadership.quote:One major difference here - Trump isn't doing something he couldn't get passed through congress, he's doing something that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer refused to negotiate and pass.
I complained as loudly as anyone (and probably almost as loud as EVERYONE on this forum, though I was not active here at the time) when Obama undertook to do things through Executive Order that he could not get passed through Congress. Sometimes DIRECTLY CONTRARY to the will of Congress.
How you can't see the difference here is mind boggling.
Sorry, Jimmy Stewart, but that is just how this stuff works.
It came down to politics for the Dems and ego for Trump.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:27 pm to AggieHank86
So dems put politics before country. Got it.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:33 pm to hawkeye007
I think it’s completely insane that the President doesn’t have complete authority to protect the border.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:37 pm to hawkeye007
Well, since the Osiah already used executive powers to push his immigration reform, then the liberal courts said the President had 100% total control over immigration, seems to me your overlords gave him the tools.
Also, he was more than willing to compromise. He was willing to give so much in the compromise that folks on here were pissed Trump would give away so much. Nancy said no and she said no wall ever.
The same idiots who were fine with a 40 billion wall in 2006. then a 25 billion wall in 2013 are now anti-wall.
I have zero problem with him using tools that you clowns created. Just like when your overlords destroyed the filibuster. Gave McConnell the tools to put Kav in place.
Now, your liberal courts are going to be hammered and once again prove themselves partisan hacks as they pretend they didn't rule Obama could do anything he wanted with immigration.
I put Trump in office to stand up to both the liberal socialist pigs and the spineless Republicans. I am sad he didn't tell all of congress to eat shite with a veto.
I wanted a pit fighter who would use the same dirty tactics that democrats are willing to use, so I'm thrilled with what he did.
Also, he was more than willing to compromise. He was willing to give so much in the compromise that folks on here were pissed Trump would give away so much. Nancy said no and she said no wall ever.
The same idiots who were fine with a 40 billion wall in 2006. then a 25 billion wall in 2013 are now anti-wall.
I have zero problem with him using tools that you clowns created. Just like when your overlords destroyed the filibuster. Gave McConnell the tools to put Kav in place.
Now, your liberal courts are going to be hammered and once again prove themselves partisan hacks as they pretend they didn't rule Obama could do anything he wanted with immigration.
I put Trump in office to stand up to both the liberal socialist pigs and the spineless Republicans. I am sad he didn't tell all of congress to eat shite with a veto.
I wanted a pit fighter who would use the same dirty tactics that democrats are willing to use, so I'm thrilled with what he did.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:37 pm to Undertow
I hate how both sides have turned into complete hypocrites that will do anything as long as it means winning then cry and blame the other side for starting it.
Its not cool for trump to break the constitution, it won't be cool when the other side does it either. There are more important things than getting your way at any cost. Its crazy i have to point this out and will get downvoted for it.
This downward spiral will never end until we uphold the laws created to protect us from this kind of behavior. Checks and balances are the only way this country will last
Its not cool for trump to break the constitution, it won't be cool when the other side does it either. There are more important things than getting your way at any cost. Its crazy i have to point this out and will get downvoted for it.
This downward spiral will never end until we uphold the laws created to protect us from this kind of behavior. Checks and balances are the only way this country will last
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:39 pm to sgallo3
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Its not cool for trump to break the constitution,
Hey clown. Site where he broke the constitution. Go ahead. Since you claimed it. How about real quick tell us how he broke it.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:40 pm to sgallo3
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not cool for trump to break the constitution
How does this violate the constitution? Is congress constitutionally forbidden from delegating powers to the President?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:40 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Well, to hold that view, one would be required to accept the (flawed) premise that a silly-arsed, thousand-mile Wall is the ONLY way to "protect the country." In other words, one would need to be an idiot.
So dems put politics before country. Got it.
Did Trump worry too much about his ego? Clearly. Did Dems put too much emphasis on the politics of thwarting his ego? Clearly.
Walls are most cost-effective in high-traffic areas. Dems should have given him x-number of miles of new "Wall" in the next-highest traffic area for which no such structure now exists, and he should have called that a win. The number of miles should have been subject to negotiation that neither of them seem to have been interested in undertaking.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:43 pm to AggieHank86
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flawed) premise
Speaking of flawed premises.
Why would one have to believe it’s the ONLY way? Trump asked for 5 billion. Certainly you don’t think that is the total budget for border protection. You said it was pure politics by the dems. I’m just repeating what you said
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In other words, one would need to be an idiot.
Some self awareness would do you wonders.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:43 pm to TigerMyth36
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Site where he broke the constitution
cite*
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Article 1, Section 9, Clause 7 contains two clauses: The Appropriations Clause and the Statement and Accounts Clause: “No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
i could care less about the wall or 8 billion or however much. it wont affect my life one way or the other besides the precedent it sets
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:44 pm to sgallo3
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could care
Couldn’t care*
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:46 pm to BBONDS25
couldnt care would be wrong. i could care less by not being on this board discussing it
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:46 pm to sgallo3
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:49 pm to sgallo3
That isn't a violation. He is using the emergency powers which is a valid law. You can claim it isn't covered under the emergency powers and you might or might not be right. Courts will decide. But I don't see in any way how this violates the constitution. We shall see.
This in no way opens up the next president to abuse the emergency powers. Pelosi's threat about gun control using the powers in nothing but bullshite because that would be a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment. It wouldn't stand a chance in court and plenty of conservative courts would block it.
Time will tell. I could be wrong. You could be wrong. Either way. I am more than happy he tried.
This in no way opens up the next president to abuse the emergency powers. Pelosi's threat about gun control using the powers in nothing but bullshite because that would be a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment. It wouldn't stand a chance in court and plenty of conservative courts would block it.
Time will tell. I could be wrong. You could be wrong. Either way. I am more than happy he tried.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:01 pm to BBONDS25
quote:No, and you know it. I said that the Dems were playing politics. I said NOTHING about putting "politics over country." You added that nonsense and then tried to attribute it to me.
Speaking of flawed premises.
Why would one have to believe it’s the ONLY way? Trump asked for 5 billion. Certainly you don’t think that is the total budget for border protection. You said it was pure politics by the dems. I’m just repeating what you said
Let's say that Trump wanted a 30-foot wall for the entirety of the southern border. (I know, he wanted fewer miles than that. This is a hypo.) Let's further say that the Dems agreed to a 20-foot wall for the same distance, and the two sides deadlocked ... over the HEIGHT of the Wall. Would EITHER side be "putting politics over country?" Of course not. They just should have settled on 25-feet.
Now, let's assume that that Trump wanted 1000-miles of new construction, that the Dems felt that some smaller number of miles of new construction were necessary, and that the two sides deadlocked ... over the LENGTH of the Wall. Would EITHER side be "putting politics over country?" Of course not. They just should have settled on something less than 1000-miles.
THAT is the situation that we had. Both sides were at fault.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:07 pm to AggieHank86
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No, and you know it. I said that the Dems were playing politics. I said NOTHING about putting "politics over country." You added that nonsense and then tried to attribute it to me.
The dems voted over and over for a wall. Some even said it was vital. Before trump. What changed their opinions. When did it cease being vital?
Politics over country. Orange man bad.
You aren’t very good at hiding your dem leanings, btw. I will never understand why some dems are so afraid to admit they are dems.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 9:08 pm
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